It's 5:38 in my area and I'm playing OW Arc5 Part1 1/2 as soon as I can...
It's just, a huge desire for me to meet dear Genzou. I'm dying to meet him. Carrot, you are really good at plotting...
Ok, detailed things I'll add after I play it.
Now I'm still in the forest and I meet the nightmarish tomatoes!! I can't help but to think about one strong and cute halfling knight... Then I saw a huge close-up of a murderous tomato. Oh, how thick the white border is!!! (wrong emphasis).
Ohhhh, The rabbits were appearing so handsomely, weren't them? I have to say they're much handsomer than I expected... Ok, TOO CLOSE!!! You are too close to Iggy's face,and as we always say, such a distance means either a fight or a kiss~ Ok, quite too close.
Ha? I want to know why Genzou so angry.. From his words I think he's into the anger towards what Jerry had done in OFW, is it? Or it's just he hate rabbits as in the 4.5 Arcs rabbits were all their enemies?
BOYTOY???!!!! Wow! I have never hear about something like that, it's, fascinating🤣I like it. Boytoy of Gen, strange but ok.
LDKAJFLDKFAJDSFA OMG SO EARLY PLEASE GET SOME SLEEP????????? 🤣💦 I'm glad you're enjoying it so far tho!!! lakjdflakdsjfa this running commentary of your playthrough is making me laugh a lot!! LOL GENZOU HAD TO WATCH JERRY BREAK IGGY'S HAND AND THEN KILL ALL OF THEM HE STILL HAS SOME RESIDUAL ANGER BUILT UP FROM THAT LMAOOOOO
Glad you enjoyed the tomato ambush hahahahaha. Hope you'll enjoy the rest when you have a chance to play it!! 🤭💕
Carroty, carroty, carroty... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???????????????
I'll have to be honest with you, I CRIED GOSH I NEVER CRIED SO MUCH PLAYING A VN????????????????????? I'll explain in the spoilers part why but AAAAH MY HEART IS ACHING AND I'M CRYING (transparent lol) TEARS EVEN AS I'M WRITING THIS YOU MADE ME NUMB AAAAH (for players trying to understand what this means: the climax of part 5 1 1/2 is very emotional, and the perfect conclusion to what has been going through so far, and sets all the characters before what is the final confrontation).
The art? IMMACULATE, gosh, I loved the sprite work (at first I thought "Wow, Orlam looks like a [redacted for spoilers]" AND THEN THE PLOT AND THEN WOW????). I have to highlight the quality of the animations too, some parts of this VN really just feel like watching a animated feature!!!!!! The way the things are presented, the timing with the EXCELLENTLY chosen tracks (for instance, the one played in what I'll call the "rabbit hole" is a song I genuinely like! Thanks for the discovery!), WOW?????? I would say it was as amazing as usual but somehow, everytime it all gets better erfrgbhrfrfv undefeated Ren'Py animator, the inspiration behind me playing more with colour matrixes, animations and blur in my own games erfgntr
The writing also was extremely good for a stylistic standpoint!! I loved how there was a lot of French expressions, some I didn't even know were used in English (well, admittedly, this only concerns "bric-à-brac", but the more you know!). I don't think I ever underlined how good the writing is in your game, but let me emphasise it here: the vocabulary is always perfectly chosen both to describe what is happening and to set the mood. The characters all have a very distinctive way of talking which helps selling their personalities.
Now, that's all I can say without spoilers, so now, if you guys can forgive me, I'm going to spoil below.
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ORLAM ISN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDS TO TAKE HIS HEART OUT OF HIS CHEST APPARENTLY BECAUSE YOU HIT RIGHT WHERE YOU SHOULD!!!!! Orlam deciding to end his own suffering by BASICALLY BECOMING A ZOMBIE (that's what I actually thought when I saw his sprites: "Wow, he looks like a zombie??") BECAUSE ALL HIS MEMORIES BRING HIM AWFUL FEELINGS??? HIS ABUSE? HIS PAST RELATIONSHIP WITH GENZOU (somehow, it really gave an Adam x Alex vibe although YOU MADE IT SO MUCH MORE EMOTIONAL 3EFVBGFTEBDFDERFGHNGERFV5214DERFVB)??????? And the conclusion???? The climax?? Genzou finally opening up to Orlam, and holly golly did I not expect you to take the internalised homophobia turn (although Orlam is bi if I remember correctly)? Genzou just bullying Orlam because he represents everything he hates about himself?? It's hearbreaking for the both of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Orlam finally becoming human again (well, if you go beyond the metaphor, finally feeling a bit of peace about his trauma) once Genzou finally acknowledges that the way he was treated was wrong?? When Gidget and Iggy couldn't? When Genzou could have just insulted him as he's used to???? This made me cry so much, you have no idea Carrot, I have a headache so I hope I make sense but it was intense and beautiful????? Certainly my favourite scene in a VN ever????????????????????
In general, I also liked how the characters start taking accountability for their actions and decide to forgive each other (Iggy forgiving Gidget, for example, for everything they did to him in Wonderland; and reciprocally, Gidget forgiving Iggy for everything he said to them IRL; Genzou admitting he isn't a good person and needs to do better, and actually DOES better!!!). And the fact Orlam's character arc here is all about questioning this?? Is it enough to be sorry to excuse one's actions?? Can words heal years of trauma, of abuse or of resentment and bitterness? The answer is of course "no", but they are a starting point, it's finally accepting to adress the problem, to acknowledge its existence and to tiptoe your way to healing. It was addressed very well, and that's why the final scene with Orlam felt so emotional! Gosh, you certainly made of Orlam my favourite character (despite Gidget actually frightening me more for asexual reasons), when he was my least favourite before!!!!!
Regarding the action, I enjoyed the contrast between the threats in act 1 and the same ones in this part. While they participated in paiting the world the characters fell in in Arc 1, and were tools to let us explore the depths and dangers of Our Wonderland, they hold here so much more narrative weight! The building-up made throughout the whole game is nothing short of brilliant, Carrot, and it was intense!! I also really enjoyed the whole dyanmic between Jerry, the characters, their connection (even to childhood memories), and the whole "let's make a big plan to reach out to Orlam", it really set an interesting vibe which contrasted so much to what we got after, in the most perfectly crafted way.
Carrot, I really don't know how to conclude my reviews anymore. This is nothing short of a masterpiece, but I guess I already said that in the past... This game is intense, this game is beautiful, this game is everything a person, a soul, an artist, a writer, a human, heck! a carrot could put into a game. This is grandiose, and thinking of the time it must have taken you, of the care you put into this, of the love, the insecurities, the vulnerability you accepted to share with us... I just want to thank you for making me experience all this (I'm crying again writing us, because I'm genuinely moved)... All this feels somehow so personal and yet so intense? More than an inspiration to all game devs, as I explained before, you're just this kind of people, or souls, or hearts, or whatever we look for afar, so close and so far, that we immediately identify with and which has so much to tell; and yet, yet, it's almost as if we couldn't dare to brush you, because what you are giving us is already so intense, so strong and so generous? I'm sorry this review is less analytical than usual and more on the emotional side but I guess that's what you get for turning me into a crying mess (and I wouldn't have it any other way)!
LOL, our thoughts are so similar: the compliment part and the zombie part are absolutely identical. I mean how he stands from the chair really does seem like a zombie. I would never imagine what cause this movement can happen here, and also every one can be a doctor in the Wonderland 😂
SOBBING I NEEDED TO LIKE. COLLECT MYSELF. AND GIVE MYSELF TIME TO REALLY APPROACH THIS BEFORE MY REPLY lkjdfalkdf You're literally making me sob over here GODDDDDD. Unsure I've ever gotten quite a response like this before and it's making me melt a tad (tho the fierce heat of today isn't helping much ldkajfdl).
I'M SORRY FOR MAKING YOU CRY. I also cried a few times. Especially while working on the final cutscene. Even just imagining it / planning it in my head together with the song before and while working on it would make me tear up dlkajfsd It was just a Big Emotional Moment for me with the game and chars and I wanted to try and get that across and make it have impact (which is why I "had" to make it a cutscene to begin with LOL).
Ahhhh I'm glad you liked the music in this part!! THE RABBIT HOLE SONG. I also liked that one a lot. It and a few others (like the preparing for battle one) gave me so many FFXII vibes and since that's basically my fav game and soundtrack ever I couldn't resist LKDJASLDK Picking out music for me is both fun but also slightly nerve-racking as I always worry about whether I'm going to be able to find the perfect track for the vibe / scene in my head. Some of the tracks for this part I already had chosen long ago (for instance, I think I've had the castle chase song chosen as something I knew I wanted to use in Arc 5 since... over a year ago, maybe even longer lakdjfs) but others I chose during production by my usual method of listening to 50 million songs from composers I already knew I liked or by using vibe filters LFAKSJDFA This part also had a lot of "image song" style music with the actual songs rather than BGMs, so I was hoping it would go over well with people and feel somewhat impactful as a result.
"I loved how there was a lot of French expressions, some I didn't even know were used in English" --> DLKASJDF I PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE MOST OF THOSE IN QUESTION WERE FRENCH. I didn't know bric-a-brac LMAO That's one of those words that got ingrained in my head as a child from watching Nightmare Before Christmas on repeat I think hahaha. Thank you so much tho for all the kind words about the writing ahhhHHHHH. I feel like no one ever really says anything about the writing when it comes to VNs (which I do get, like, it's only one part of the experience, and you're not likely to even notice anything about it over the story and chars and art and literally everything else), so I guess hearing that specifically somehow makes me even more wibbly and gooey jlkdfajds 💦 I've always felt I have a bit of a weird writing style in general so I'm never quite sure how people, like, react to it while reading HAHA. Particularly some of the odd turns of phrase or word choices (or how I apparently repeat things about chewing on the inside of cheeks or uncomfortable bowels again and again and again without my noticing LMAO). At any rate, that really means a lot. I'm really happy you enjoy the style and dialogue, etc.
"ORLAM ISN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDS TO TAKE HIS HEART OUT OF HIS CHEST APPARENTLY BECAUSE YOU HIT RIGHT WHERE YOU SHOULD!!!!!" --> SOBBINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG lkjfalkdsfjad I am honestly so glad this part felt so impactful ahhHHHHHHHHH. I had really hoped it would. 🥺
"(although Orlam is bi if I remember correctly)" --> Yeah he is, though at this point in time, neither one of them had all the answers about themselves and were just really confused mostly but did kind of both know they were similar in a way (and Genzou knew at least that Orlam liked him). In my mind, it was a combination of Genzou's own confusion about himself, his fear about people judging him like he saw them judging Orlam, and also the sheer fact that Orlam was just so wimpy and scrawny as a kid (something that Genzou never wanted to be seen as) that all contributed to Genzou's actions as a kid (along with the sheer fact that he kind of just was a mouthy brat to begin with and couldn't [and still can't] control his words or temper).
"When Genzou could have just insulted him as he's used to????" --> LDFKAJSDLFKAD I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THIS OUT. I wanted it to be like this juxtaposition where he finally actually is able to keep his mouth shut, which is so beyond what Orlam could have expected or imagined at this point and it just broke him.
"I have a headache so I hope I make sense" --> OH GOD ARE YOU OK???????? 😭💦
I'm really glad you like how the scene turned out tho......... this was a scene that I had semi-pictured in my mind even way back like over a year ago, that I knew I was working towards, but hadn't actually worked out most of the details. And it wasn't until I was actively working on this part that it started to form further, and then when I was actually writing it it finally all came together. Like so many of my scenes I tend to go in semi-blind with just a single mental image as a guide and hope that while I'm writing it all falls into place LKDJFALKSDF
"The answer is of course "no", but they are a starting point, it's finally accepting to adress the problem, to acknowledge its existence and to tiptoe your way to healing. It was addressed very well, and that's why the final scene with Orlam felt so emotional!" --> GUH YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME CRY ALL OVER AGAIN. I'm happy this came through well......... after everything these characters have been through, I didn't want to rush to "omg everything's better" when clearly it wouldn't be LMAO but I did want to start planting seeds of hope and forgiveness that could allow for a path forward for them. They've all hurt each other so many times at this point. But at least now they're finally meeting it head-on rather than ignoring it like usual...
"This game is intense, this game is beautiful, this game is everything a person, a soul, an artist, a writer, a human, heck! a carrot could put into a game. " --> THIS IS SO BEAEUTIFUL AND SWEET I'M WEEPING HELPPPPPPPPPPP. I don't even know what to say... except that I'm so glad that it could be something so meaningful and that my story and chars could speak in such a way. And also thank you??? Not only for the beautiful and kind words but also for playing and for all your wonderful support and encouragement and motivation. It truly means a lot 💕
I can't even begin to thank you enough honestly for this review. I feel so touched and honored and emotional and can't stop reading back through parts of it. Thank you so much for taking the time to write out all your thoughts and emotions. GUHHHHHHHH I'M JUST A WIBBLING WEEPY MESS NOW FROM WRITING OUT THIS RESPONSE. Reading this honestly has made my entire night/day/weekend LDKAJFLDKAFD Going to go cry a thousand tears now... 😭💦💕
Thanks a lot for making me feel things. I love these characters (though I do have favorites WWW) This was one of the most HHHhhh arcs, but also one of the most beautiful. I'm looking forward to, but also dreading, the conclusion.
P.S.
I cant believe you murked Jerry what the FAQING FAQ!?!?!
KDLAJSDKFA YOU ARE WELCOME?????? I hope it wasn't too much. I also felt many things and may or may not have cried multiple times, especially while making the final cutscene 🤣💦 I'm really glad you enjoyed this "arc" (part arc, one-third arc, WHATEVER IT IS). HHHHHHH I REALLY HOPE I'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE FINAL CONCLUSION OK AND LIVE UP TO EVERYONE'S HOPES AND DREAMS. Thank you so much for all your support and your love for the game and chars!! 🥺💕
still playing through it but so far omg it's so good and so fucking compelling. Had to try it out after playing Save The Last Dance and I'm so glad I did.
Omg thank you????? I'm so touched that you wanted to give it a try after playing StLD! And also that you're enjoying it so much ahhhhh!! Thank you for the kind words, and I hope you enjoy the rest of it!! 🥰💕
omg this is the best game i have played in years all the characters are so lovable and i cant help but hope we see a lot more of them after the game especially igg
AHHHH THAT'S VERY SWEET?? I'm so glad that you enjoyed the game so much and that you like the characters!! 😭💕 lkjalkdsfa I hope to keep making more with these characters even after the main game is done -- even if it's just some side games or art, writing, etc. I feel like I definitely won't want to say goodbye to them even after the game itself is finished 🥺 I'm really glad you like Iggy so much!! Somehow hearing that makes my heart very happy. Thanks so much for playing and for letting me know your thoughts! I hope you'll enjoy the last parts of the game! 🥰
Thank you!! Though I have to apologize as I don't really have any money for translation, so it will probably never be translated (it is quite long, after all) 🥺💦
Only recently heard of "Our Wonderland" about about 2 days ago, but MAN--I feel spoiled being able to binge all of Arc 1 to Arc 5 1/2 within those 2 same days. Cause, that's how f*cking engrossing the whole storyline and cast of characters is!!! And the fact that there's newer features like a helpful CG Gallery and title-detailed save files makes me feel extra spoiled-rotten, compared to the fans who played this game since its early beginnings (lmao). 100% COMPLETION GET!!!
That said, this whole story portrays and explores upon a lot of LGBTQIA+ and mental/emotional health themes that I WISH a lot more stories did with such sensitivity and nuance. Just feels so nice to be "seen", you know? Personally, a mixture of Gidget's + Iggy's + Genzou's issues hit me really hard--but also, felt damn cathartic watching some other character articulate these similar experiences for me, on-screen. I also enjoy the depth and details that go into characters that you seemingly dismiss as purely dislikable or treat as "purely heroic" on the surface. (In my case, I like getting my expectations subverted when getting to learn more about Orlam--who I initially wrote-off as some jerk-ass incel, but have grown to like; and Genzou, whom I still like, but still hold accountable for going overboard sometimes). Everybody in this cast got their share of personal traits, strengths, and flaws; all of which feels real, well-developed, and not just "tacked on" to earn Social Cool points or whatever. Instead, whatever traits they possess--to me, they just feel organic, natural to the circumstances they found themselves born in and just really nails home the complexity of human beings and human relationships. (Iggy...I feel you HARD on making senses of human relationships and How to Socialize 101). Hell, I like the fact that all of these people hold backgrounds and lifestyles that feels delightfully down-to-earth? Like, nobody here has flashy "romanticized" jobs that you'd find in some mainstream dramas--but rather, jobs and emotional preoccupations of the unglamorous day-to-day. How most humans (read: us, peasants) got to cope and live amongst the daily grind, yanno? Everybody here got their own issues, all of which are too real and relatable, esp. depending on who your parents are (ugh... Gidget and Orlam, I've seen that sort sh*t in my life and with other friends' parents. SMDH.). These characters--despite their silly names (lmao... IGNATIUS, I'M SORRY BRO)--all feel like somebody I'd meet from just off the street, yanno?
All of the arcs tore out my heart in some way...all of the deaths were delightfully mortifying and delightfully creative...all of the wonderful irony, double-meanings, and eyebrow-raising implications (Orlam's Arc was chock full of those--ugh, his poor rabbit T_T)...all of Genzou's creativity in swears and metaphors also win a gold star in my book... and NGL, I just love the interactions (especially all of Genzou & Iggy's, but eyyyy what can I sayyyyyy~). Don't mind me, I'll just be here in my corner, with a swooning-dopey expression like Gidget does in some of their scenes (I see what shout-out reference you did there~ lmao).
Man, I wish I can be more concise & articulate on why I love this game--rabid, almost mouth-frothing so--and what makes it's so unique and immersive for me, especially having spent so long with the characters (across multiple timelines in fact, lmao). But yeah, I'll be rocking back-and-forth happily in my chair--awaiting the Part II whenever it comes out--cause no matter the length of the wait, Our Wonderland has just that kind of storyline and cast that sticks with you. Of just being too memorable to forget. (Definitely can see myself replaying this whole game, just to spend time revisiting/"hanging out" with the characters--almost as if they were my own friends or something, lmao.)
But anyway, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING SO MUCH TIME, EFFORT, DETAIL, AND ATTENTION INTO THIS GAME!!! Your effort really shows!!! Just keep doing you!!! Whatever the heck you're doing writing-wise, me likey!!! (*A*)
[P.S: And thank freaking god there's spin-off games to "Our Wonderland", such as "Our Fantastic Wonderland", cause all of these characters deserve a freakin' comfort break from their main storyline (lmao). Me too honestly...I just want them all to be happy if possible. ;____; ]
Same! I just hope they all have a happy ending at the end of the story. With no injury! Whether mental or physical... For me, I'm too upset to see Genzou dies so miserable in all four Arcs, especially the Arc 4... He only got his sight back in the wonderland, then it was taken away from him, with such violence way. Such violence.🥺
For reals -- I hope all the characters come out (relatively) unscathed and happy too. Some probably will need further therapy after this whole experience, but hopefully they'll have each other as support too. T__T
And yea, Genzou exemplifies the true Ride and Die. NGL, I can appreciate from a writer's standpoint the amount of creativity/irony that went into some of Genzou's Death/Pain CGs (ahahaha, OF COURSE YOU WOULD REMOVE HIS EYES, ORLAM, BUT OF COURSE) but damn... I feel you, cut this poor man a break!!! ;__;
I guess it does balances out in that Genzou gets a LOT of comforting/deep interactions with Iggy (<3), if that's any good karma meant for him...lmao. (Poor guy needs it.)
HELP THIS IS SUCH A LONG COMMENT LAKDJFLAKDF I AM WEEPING AND MELTING INTO A PILE OF GOO????????? 🥺💦
Firstly just thank you so much for taking the time to write all this up??? My heart is squishing! And secondly thank you so much for playing the game to begin with!! I'm so happy that you ended up liking it so much ahhhHHHHH lkajldskfa 😭💕
LMAO IT'S TRUE THE MOST RECENT UPDATE DID BRING ABOUT SOME NICE QOL TYPE STUFF I FEEL A BIT ASHAMED WASN'T THERE EARLIER. I will probably continue to do a few other QOL things as well before it's completely done. I actually would like to finally do a bit more with the GUI for instance....... it's a bit... default in places... and now that I've learned more about how to edit and work with the GUI a lot better, I'd like to polish it up a bit lakdjfasd
"this whole story portrays and explores upon a lot of LGBTQIA+ and mental/emotional health themes that I WISH a lot more stories did with such sensitivity and nuance" --> HELP THIS IS TOO HIGH OF PRAISE LKJKAFD I am really glad you think so though. Many of the... things... that happen in the game are based wholly or in part on a lot of my own experiences and feelings and attempt to work through stuff about myself. So it really means a lot and touches me greatly to hear that others can also relate to it and feel some catharsis 😭 The more I worked on the game, the more personal it became to me, and the more each of the characters became a different sort of reflection about parts of myself (that I then proceeded to promptly twist in on itself and weep a thousand tears as it broke me into infinite tiny pieces again and again and again LOL). I always just hope people will be able to relate to at least one of the characters!! Or perhaps at least understand them I guess, even if not being able to personally relate.
"I also enjoy the depth and details that go into characters that you seemingly dismiss as purely dislikable or treat as "purely heroic" on the surface." --> I REALLY WANTED TO GO HARD INTO THIS SO THANK YOU??? Like. I wanted to (and hoped I'd be able to) create characters that felt very human and gray because all humans are complicated and gray and there's literally no one out there that will ever be perfect or never do anything bad or never make you want to rip your hair out of your head sometimes kdjfadsaf
"Orlam--who I initially wrote-off as some jerk-ass incel" --> I AM SOBBING??????
"(Iggy...I feel you HARD on making senses of human relationships and How to Socialize 101)" --> It is truly an impenetrable enigma sometimes... 💦
"These characters--despite their silly names (lmao... IGNATIUS, I'M SORRY BRO)" --> I JUST CHOKED.
"--all feel like somebody I'd meet from just off the street, yanno? " --> And them immediately teared up because this is very sweet HELPPP.
"all of the wonderful irony, double-meanings" --> I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE VARIOUS THINGS I WAS TRYING TO DO WITH... WITH STUFF........ I NEVER KNOW. (also other stuff that I had zero idea I was even doing apparently and people pointed out to me later...........)
"all of Genzou's creativity in swears and metaphors also win a gold star in my book" --> THIS PLEASES ME.
" mouth-frothing" --> MOUTH-FROTHING 😭
"(Definitely can see myself replaying this whole game, just to spend time revisiting/"hanging out" with the characters--almost as if they were my own friends or something, lmao.) " --> My heart just imploded??? I have no words....... 🥺💕
"I just want them all to be happy if possible. ;____; " --> GOD me too....
GUHHHH I'M A WIBBLING MESS.
This was absolutely too much and too sweet and too stabbing directly into my heart lakdjfas I'm really so so overjoyed that you like the chars and their stories so much. I-I WILL KEEP WORKING HARD 😭I really want the finale to be work it for everyone and to live up to everything that's come before it, so I feel like I'm putting double the effort into making everything as good as I possibly can for the last bits... BUT ALSO I'M VERY NERVOUS AND ANXIOUS ABOUT IT AND JUST HOPE PEOPLE WILL LIKE THE CONCLUSION.
Thank you again for this wonderful little message that just really brightened my day and brought (plentiful) tears to my eyes!! 🥰
Yay, I'm glad my comment was uplifting to you (text-dump wall that it was). Thank you for liking my ESSAY of a comment, lmaoooo~
I know you're working hard on the game, but I also just hope you're having fun with your characters as well!!! From what I've played, it sure feels like you're allowing yourself to have fun (SUPER IMPORTANT TO KEEP SIGHT OF!!!)--and that same passion/devotion shines through in the gameplay. Players easily catch onto that; it's just infectious passion, yanno?
And yeah, I can see how creators understandably feel nervous on how their audiences might perceive the ending(s) of their story. That extra mental energy is definite gasoline for the creativity tank, ya? This is just my two cents SO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, but since you're the one who knows your characters best, I'm sure you'll discover the conclusions for each character that feels the most "truest"/"right" for their personal journey. If you just continue on with your knack for good & consistent characterization, the majority of readers will come out ultimately satisfied. Sometimes worrying about people's negative feelings about an ending is besides the point, anyway; especially if a character's series of (ahem, BAD) choices & cause-effect development logically foreshadows/lead them up to their tragic ending (eg. famous Greek/Shakspearian plays like "Oedipus Rex" and "Hamlet"). While I know there's RL people's feelings about the ending to consider, focusing more on the characters' feelings on how far they come + where they end up is the higher priority, IMO.
Given what I played from your games thus far, you've given me a lot of material to where I can say that, I trust you as a storyteller. I trust that you care enough about each of these characters' unique journeys and honoring who they were, who they are, and who they may become. Unlike some TV shows, where they pull a total ass-pull of an ending just to "shock" against audience's predictions, despite zero prior characterization or plot-foreshadow leading up to it. 🙄 To me, you possess good balance between knowing when to keep consistent characterization VS. show psychological/circumstantial nuances that go against a character's usual behavior patterns. The fact that you drew parts of it from your own personal experience, just shows your alchemic ability to transmute your raw unique experience into material that illuminates the humanity within all of us. It's definitely vulnerable and difficult to find ways to organize all of those rampant emotions & thoughts into something as concrete as a game, but hell--you managed to!! And you even invited others (us, players) along for the fun, wild brain ride!!! Thanks for giving players like me, such a rewarding emotional experience (and lovely memories) revolving around such an awesome cast of characters.
"I also just hope you're having fun with your characters as well!!!" --> I definitely am!! Tbh the chars are the major reason why I'm still chugging away after all this time and why I'm still so motivated to keep working each and every day on it lakdjfasd I normally am not super great at actually finishing larger projects that I start out to but the chars and this story overtook me to the point where it's been the largest part of my life for the last...... gosh almost two years now 💦
"I trust you as a storyteller." --> THANK YOU????? That honestly means a lot and gives me a lot of confidence lakdjfas This story has already grown so much larger than I ever expected it to when I first started out, and the characters, too. I know where I'm headed with them in my head for the finale -- I just hope I can actually make it work when it comes to writing and directing it LOL And I want players who've been along for the ride to feel like the ending is deserved ig 💦
"The fact that you drew parts of it from your own personal experience, just shows your alchemic ability to transmute your raw unique experience into material that illuminates the humanity within all of us." --> THIS IS TOO MUCH?????? YOU ARE FLAYING ME WITH YOUR WORDS LKASJDFLASKDF
"Thanks for giving players like me, such a rewarding emotional experience (and lovely memories) revolving around such an awesome cast of characters. " --> YOU ARE SO WELCOME. It fills me with joy every day to be able to share something that's so meaningful to me and have people enjoy it so much (despite also making me feel a bit embarrassed LOL).
Thank you so much for all your words of encouragement!! I've been pretty up and down lately due to general mental health stuff so honestly this means so much and is really giving me a lot of joy and feels right now. Thank you for taking the time to leave such a wonderful and sweet comment!! 😭💕
It's amazing! Although when I first read this story, I felt a bit uncomfortable with many of the violent scenes, especially the scenes in the fourth act where his legs were cut off and his eyes were gouged out. Yes, I just want to say that Genzou is too miserable! Every time I remind of the scenes that he dies (among all four Arcs), I feel very painful and can't help but shed tears. 😭
I want to know why Genzou is blind in real life. And one thing that I also care about is that, Genzou was rational from the beginning, and even when he restore his sight back, he knew we should go back to reality. However, compared to Genzou, the other three people are much crazier in my feelings.
I do know that Genzou bullied Orlam since childhood, but in return, Orlam boiled Genzou, or cut Genzou into pieces( and then made him into a dish in front of me? I don't fully understand what happened in Arc 3), or digged Genzou's eyes out and cut his legs down. I think Orlam's too crazy,,, I can't imagine, is it just because he's such one kind?
Ahhhhh thank you very much!! I AM SORRY FOR SOME OF THE INTENSE SCENES 💦 G-Genzou really does go through it. I feel like he suffers the most out of all of them when it comes to sheer painful deaths and torture... 😭 (though Iggy has his fair share in Arc 2 dkjaflsd) I'm glad that you were still able to enjoy the game even in spite of the intensity and the Genzou!suffering💦💦 Thank you very much for playing and for taking the time to write up your thoughts!! It always means so much to me to hear from people who've played it 🥺💕
"I want to know why Genzou is blind in real life." --> The accident in junior high. It's in the flashback scene towards the end of Arc 1.
"And one thing that I also care about is that, Genzou was rational from the beginning" --> I would say some of this probably has to do with the fact that he and Iggy are there the least amount of time as all of them. Wonderland has a tendency to twist them further the longer they stay down there. Plus when the other three first arrived, they were treated very well and got to live like royalty essentially. Whereas when Iggy and Genzou first arrived, everything was already turning horrible and they had to run for their lives in order to survive LOL so Genzou (and Iggy, too, even though he didn't wish for anything yet) couldn't really get lured in and twisted like the other three (well, except for Iggy in Arc 3 LKDJFASLKD). I do wonder what would happen if for instance Iggy and Genzou had arrived in Wonderland earlier and had a nicer time how it would have turned out... would be an interesting AU perhaps LOL 🤭
"I think Orlam's too crazy,,, I can't imagine, is it just because he's such one kind?" --> What do you mean by that? 🤣💦 Mmm... I mean... Orlam would never do any of those things in real life LOL Much of it is Wonderland twisting his thoughts far beyond anything that could have been possible in reality. Obviously he already had a (warranted) grudge because of all the suffering and heartbreak Genzou had caused him over the years but he would never kill or torture him in the real world laskdjfasd Just like Gidget would never assault Iggy in the real world 💦 That's one of the things I find most interesting about Wonderland tbh -- that it hooks into their base feelings and conflicts and amplifies their thoughts and emotions by like... a thousand LOL So you end up seeing them as the most twisted versions of themselves and have lost much of their ability to see reason.
"I don't fully understand what happened in Arc 3" --> Lol yes you were right, he feeds Genzou to Iggy, basically.
Thank you again for all the lovely thoughts and for playing the game!! I'm glad you enjoy the characters! 🥰
Ah! I played the first Arc again just now. I wonder about the accident related to Genzou's eyesight. Did he fall off the stairs while checking the hallway, for Iggy?
With Bucks', Gidget's, Orlam's past, now I do know why Iggy wanted himslef not to exist...Even in Arc 5, he still blamed everyone's problems on himself. And I have more feelings about Genzou's words, he in Arc 5 said that "Don't you fucking say that. Do you hear me?" The last time I see these words, I thought Iggy was talking about waht happened in Arc 4. You know,, Genzou was severely harmed. Now I see that Iggy was talking about Genzou's eyesight, didn't he? I feel even more heartbroken about them now, much more than I first played this game.
Carrot is so good at making splendid stories 55555. 🥺
And yes about the convo in Arc 5, too. Iggy blames himself for what happened to Genzou --> not only for the accident itself, but also for the fact that he abandoned Genzou for a while afterwards because he still felt uncomfortable and confused about what happened. There's a whole lot of complicated emotions at play but that's the jist of it, at least 💦
HELP that's very sweet. I'm really glad you like it and the chars 🥺💕
ladies and gentlemen, i introduce you my latest hyperfixation
seriously though, this game is fucking amazing. I started playing it this morning thinking ill just play for a few hours to get my mind off of things and its 3 am before i know it x_x cant wait for part twooo
Thank you so much????? That means a lot ahhhhh 😭💕 Thank you so much for playing!! And for taking the time to leave a comment. THOUGH I'M SORRY IT'S TAKEN OVER YOUR BRAIN??? I hope you were able to get some sleep 💦 I'm working very hard on the next part!! Hope to be able to share more soon!!
Hey! Which version are you trying to download? (for which OS) and what is the exact error you're getting? Like when you try to run the game? Or before that? No one has ever reported an error like this before so I'm not sure... 💦
What a strange error... 😵💫 I'm at a bit of a loss as I've never had anyone have this issue before and when I redownload from the site myself it works just fine... 😭🤔
I've tried looking up general errors about unzipping stuff on Google. I have some potential suggestions/further questions:
1) If you download the 32-bit version (the last one in the list) does it do the same thing?
2) Do you have an antivirus with a strict rule? If you disable it while downloading/unzipping does it change anything?
3) What program do you use to unzip? Have you tried WinRAR or 7-zip?
4) Does the downloaded file size match the file size listed next to the download on the game page? (to make sure it's downloading the complete file)
5) Do you have any special characters in your Windows username? If you change the file name of the zip file to "ow.zip" does it change anything? (just testing if the period in the file name is doing something)
7) If you download it somewhere else other than your computer (for instance on your phone or a different computer) and then transfer it, does it change anything?
These are some of my initial suggestions/questions after reading about people with similar issues extracting downloaded zip files. Let me know if any of these change anything!
thank you very much for the help! for some reason my antivirus has a problem with the 86 version of the game so I went to download the 32 version, and it worked! Thanks, I was really looking forward to playing your game!!!
I usually play romance games therefore I actually played the small texting game before this and fell inlove with the characters.
This has kept me so hooked that my fav part of the day was when I would get home and get to contiune the game.
This game made me both cry(really hard) and smile(just as hard) and I absolutely can't wait for everyone to get their happy ending. Your work is amazing and your writing fenomenal. This whole game and its characters are a piece of art, I wish more people knew about this game.
Anyway thank you for making this game, it is an honor to be able to play it <3
Ahhh you played T2A2G first?? Thank you for telling me alkdsjfas somehow I find that so sweet 💕 I'm glad you liked the chars so much in that one enough that you'd want to play the main game!! That means a lot.
And ahhhhhhh just hearing that makes me want to cry, that's so lovely! I'm so glad you enjoyed the game so much??? THOUGH SORRY FOR MAKING YOU CRY KJDAKDF I also want all of them to finally eventually be able to find some happiness 🥺💕A piece of art THAT IS SUCH HIGH PRAISE I SHALL WEEP. 😭💦
Thank you so so much for playing (both this and T2A2G!) and for taking the time to write this up. This was really touching and just such a happy little moment in my day to read. I hope that you'll like the final part once I get it finished!! I'm doing my best to make it the best I can 🥰
Ah, I'm sorry!! I do want to eventually make an Android version, but I'm waiting to do it until after the full game is complete as it will take me a lot of time and effort to convert it and redo all the interfaces for mobile 💦 It's definitely something I want to do eventually though!!
(!!! Slight Spoilers at end of second paragraph !!!)
Hello I just finished all that is currently released of the game and I am ADKHKJDHKJHFKJDF OH MY GOD I am going insane, sobbing, chewing on cardboard about this game it is just so !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I played it all in one sitting and it's 3 am right now and I don't think I'll ever be able to emotionally recover from this.
Okay, I am so unbelievably normal about this. Just. Deep breaths. Just wanted to inform you that this game is a genuine work of art, a gift to humanity, proof that there really is good in the world and it takes the form of nightmare inducing visual novels with a cast of characters that I want to make a cup of tea for SO BAD, and I am, in fact, a Genzou truther but that does not change the fact that I am In Tears over Arc 5 Gidget I love them so hecking much, and oh my god everything about their arc hit me in the hecking feels I've been out non-binary for two years now and I genuinely had to step away for a little bit when they appeared in the morning because (╥﹏╥)
All in all just wanted to say that I am likely going to be physically incapable of thinking about anything else but this game for the foreseeable future and I am also sending all the good vibes your way!! Thank you so much for making this game and sharing it with the world wide web! I will never recover <3
OMG ALL IN ONE SITTING??? HOW???? IT'S SO LONG MY GOD LKDJFASD I hope you were able to get some sleep??? 😭💦 Ahhh you're gonna make me cry though, this is such a sweet comment!! I'm so happy you like the game and chars so much GUHHH my heart feels so full. Thank you so much for playing and for taking the time to write up such a lovely comment. It really means the world 🥺💕
YOUR PRAISE IS TOO MUCH??? Thank you so much... I am very touched lkadjfad And I'm really happy you like both Genzou and Gidget. Gidget's Arc 5 scene/reappearance was very cathartic for me, as well, especially after all the very hard-to-write scenes I had to go through to get them to this point LOL Gosh, so much of this game was simultaneously so difficult yet so freeing to write. It's really become quite a personal deep-within-the-cockles-of-my-heart project for me, so that makes me doubly happy and weepy that others are also able to connect with it and find things to relate to and generally just like it, so really, thank you 💕
Thank you for the good vibes!! I shall use them as I continue to work hard on the final part! Trying to give it my all 💦 Thank you so much again for your kind words and support!!
i've only just started playing this game (I'm at the castle area) but from what i can tell the amount of content is insane??? and the way its written makes me feel like I'm watching a movie, I absolutely adore everything about this game, it's seriously impressive! (cant wait to see more of orlam tbh)
THIS COMMENT GAVE ME SUCH A LAUGH, SO THANKS FOR THAT ALREADY 🤣💦 Oh gosh I'm snorting a little LOL A YOUNGER MORE INNOCENT VERSION 😭 I AM SO SORRY FOR THE TRAUMA???
I am so glad you enjoyed the game though ahhhh thank you so much for playing?? IT IS A PRETTY LONG GAME. By the time I finish the second half of Arc 5 this thing is gonna be like around 20 hours or so GEEZ. I'm not sure I expected it to reach this length when I first started I must admit... both the length and the CG amount kinda ran away from me the longer I worked on it alkdsjfa But I'm really happy you're enjoying everything so far!! Thanks so much for taking the time to write up (such a funny comment) your thoughts ahhhh it means a lot??? I will keep working hard on the last part!! 🥰💕
Hi! thanks for this game, it's just awesome! I sat up until night playing it) Genzou root is the coolest! I can't wait to continue!! Can I find out when the sequel is planned?
Thank you so much??? I'm really glad that you like the game -- and that you like Genzou!! That means so much for me to hear! 🥺💕 By sequel do you mean the final part (Arc 5.2)? I don't know yet when it'll be done. I'm working very hard on it!! But I can never plan ahead for when I'll actually get it finished as I'm just a single person and it's a lot of work lakdjfad
I LOVE THISSS <33333 They are all so cool and good and I wanna hug them and tell them all it'll be ok I think they need even more therapy and antidepressants than I do. BUT I LOVE THEM they're so queer and lovable and clinically insane it warms my gay little heart they're squishy :3
Anyways your story and writing makes me wanna take your game and throw it in a giant cauldron full of boiling water and serve it to it's loved ones. (In a good way!!!)
My heartt cries for these people they are going through it and I relate, sidenote one of the only gory games that have actually made my stomach twist and turn I'm usually good with gore but this one got me. damn
ANYWAYS sorry for my deranged ramblings I havea tendency to become obsessed with pieces of media and I think I'm obsessed with this universe-
(oh and also I already sent this question on tumblr but I'll ask here too: do you have a patreon or other way to send you money?? I want to throw money at you. Anyways thanks :33)
THANK YOU VERY MUCH??? I'm so happy you like the chars so much ahhhhh laksjdflak they bring me such joy on a daily hourlyminutely secondly basis LOL PLEASE DON'T THROW IT IN A CAULDRON?????
Thank you so much for playing and for this lovely comment hearing that people like the game and char literally brings me the ultimate joy in the entire world hahaha. They really are going through it?? These poor beans when will they ever catch a break (apparently even I don't know).
SORRY I DON'T HAVE A PATREON NO, GUHHHH. But honestly just the fact that you would go out of your way and take the time to write up such a nice comment and make me want to cry a wee bit is already more than I could ask for THANK YOOOOOOOU. Every time someone tells me they like the game or can relate to the chars or something of the sort a Flower of Bliss blooms forth from the recesses of my decaying heart LKDJFALSDKFA
I hope that you'll enjoy the final part once I (finally) get it finished!! Thanks so much for all the support! 🥰💕
this game looks interesting! not sure if i can play it on my own bc the content warnings make me a bit squeamish to go through, but i'll gladly make fanart whenever i get the chance to :]
lkadjfalskdf there is indeed A Lot in here that might be hard for the squeamish, so please be kind to yourself and don't push yourself into anything you don't think you can handle 🥺💦 If you do end up playing I hope you'll enjoy it tho!! 💕
First and foremost I would like to thank you for making an incredible game!! I can’t imagine the dedication it takes to work on a project like this for such a long time and I'm blown away by the amount of effort and passion you’ve so obviously poured into it.
I found Our Wonderland only a month ago and it has absolutely ruined me in the best possible way. I adore how you write your characters and find all of them endlessly charming. I’ve gotten two of my friends into the game as well and we’ve been talking about it nonstop. Being able to try coming up with theories and character analysis together has been something that’s brought me so much joy. I feel at a loss for what to say because I can absolutely talk about this game for hours and hours as there's just so so much to delve into. I’ll try to spare you from too much rambling.
(Spoilers)
If that poor wonderland tree has any sort of consciousness (like it’s maybe implied to with its preference for wanting to only grant the more wholesome wishes of children?) I feel so bad that it has to watch all of the events of the game go down. I really do wonder how much of our main cast's actions are because of the corruption of wonderland versus their own twisted morals and desires, regardless, I’m sure they definitely all need therapy. I have so many questions about the mysterious ways in which wonderland seems to work.
The tree seems to have kept them from straying too far in their lives from their hometown? I can’t help but wonder if the reason Orlam’s suicide attempts failed is somehow connected as well. It’s interesting how wonderland or possibly something else seems to have influence even outside of the bounds of its domain with the doll, the time loop, and granting of Iggy’s wish in act one. I think my running theory is that possibly a wish from Saydie could be causing some of the story's events? I am decidedly fascinated with your worldbuilding and I can’t wait to see how things get wrapped up.
The relationships between the main cast really do feel like the heart of the game and it's so rewarding to see how interactions between them play out and how the butterfly effect can shape things inside of each arc. Your execution for revealing character information has incredible timing and I love how every time I found myself reevaluating my perception of each character at every reveal. The dialogue and humor have such a natural feel to them and I had an incredible time reading all the different dialogue strings. I love to see flawed characters portrayed so realistically.
Iggy and Genzou are so very cute together and the end of arc 2 was incredibly heartbreaking, UNFORTUNATELY and to the IMMENSE dismay of my friends, Orlam is my favorite and I adore him. Apparently I’m willing to overlook the whole cannibalism thing, hey, at least he knows how to cook? I think I just love to see theatrical and very over the top characters, his scenes and dialogue are always so entertaining and I can’t wait to see him in the next release. It feels like Iggy and Orlam really shouldn’t work so well together but somehow they do, it’s actually touching to see how domestic their couple of months were spent and I’m glad Iggy got a small break for as long as it lasted, even if Genzou didn’t ahaha (Apparently being stuck in a time loop reliving horrific deaths at the hands of monsters and your closest friends doesn’t leave much time to relax). Orlam seems so smug in Arc 4, he’s so silly, I wish I could know what he was thinking, he seems so content to sit back and eat popcorn watching the drama unfold when he's not too busy causing problems on purpose, I’m sooo ready to see how he acts now that everyone remembers everything.
So many parallels and foils and narrative goodness in this game, everything. All of it. Incredible. I wish I could read an essay just breaking it all down. If you ever decided to talk about some of the thought process behind the game after you finished I would absolutely love to hear it.
Recently I’m playing through the game again, sharing it with my girlfriend over discord sessions while I’m away for college (She loves Genzou very much and makes fun of me for liking Orlam [Which, fair.]) I’m still having just as much fun as the first time and now I get to enjoy the great entertainment of butchering Orlam’s voice again and again (He is determined to make me destroy my throat all cause I have to make him sound as pretentious as possible). Just recently we finished up arc 3 and I did some pretty non serious fanart in ms paint in commemoration which I thought I’d share.
Forgive me for how incredibly chaotic they are, They are filled with very ridiculous jokes to entertain my friends.
On the edge of my seat for Arc 5 part 2, and beyond that I can’t wait to see what you do next after finishing the main game. Whatever it will be, I am excited to find out. I hope your work on the final part goes smoothly, be sure to give yourself breaks and take care of yourself!
Oh my gosh,,, LAKDSJLFAKD I don't even know where to start LOL First off thank you??? Not only for playing but for taking the time to write up all these thoughts and all these theories and all this general wonderfulness that is making me all sorts of giddy and I can't stop grinning???? I love so so so so so much hearing people's rambly thoughts and interpretations and general reactions to the story and chars GUHHHHHH SO THIS IS LIKE SERIOUSLY MAKING ME SO HAPPY READING IT and I'm just really happy that you (and your friends lkadjfas) enjoy the game and chars so much ahhHHHHHHHH. TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT AMONGST YOURSELVES AHHHHHHHHHH my heart is squishing and beating very fast LMAO🥺💕
I CAN'T RESPOND DIRECTLY TO SOME OF YOUR THEORIES since many of them will come into direct play in 5.2 when I try to finally wrap this entire monster of a game up for good LOL But I'm really loving reading them and seeing people's ideas behind where the story could be heading 🤭
LMAO I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SIMILAR TO YOU HELP ALKDJFALKDSF Something about Orlam really grabs people I guess HAHAHAHA he is indeed Very Fun and I love him Dearly. I'm always really happy that he can get fans as tbh when I was first starting out I wasn't sure how people would respond to him at all or if anybody at all would like him so it makes my heart feel happy hearing things like this. I ALSO LIKE THE ORLY CASTLE LIFE MONTAGE 😭💕 Despite, erm, the background behind it (LOL) it is somehow very sweet to me, and I really like how despite being so different from one another they still somehow complement each other and find a weird way to work aldkfjas It's just a very fun dynamic.
"If you ever decided to talk about some of the thought process behind the game after you finished I would absolutely love to hear it. " --> WE'LL SEE MAYBE ALKDFFD tbh s-some of it came about through a weird evolution of the game's story while I was actively working on it (since these chars seem to have minds of their own sometimes) and some of it was literally sheer surprises to me while writing (e.g., OMG THIS IS JUST LIKE THIS OMG I SHOULD REALLY PLAY INTO THIS) ldakjflads serendipitous happy surprises or something. I'm not sure how it keeps working out to my advantage all the time tbh unless perhaps some part of me subconsciously was working towards it the whole time. WHO CAN SAY.
"(He is determined to make me destroy my throat all cause I have to make him sound as pretentious as possible)." --> This is absolutely perfect because he should always sound as pretentious as possible ALKDJFALSDK)
OMG
OMGOMGOMGGMMGJDKJFKDSJFASDKA
THESE SKETCHES
THESE SKETCHES ARE KILLING ME
I SHALL WEEP 😭💦💕
HELP HOW DO YOU DRAW THEM SO CUTELY AND WITH SO MUCH OF THEIR PERSONALITIES AND IT'S JUST SUCH A VERY CUTE STYLE AHHHHhhhhhHHHHHHH I love these dearly omgggg,,,,,,,,🥺
THE ORLY KISS AND THE LIVE REACTIONS I CANNOT BREATHE
Losing it just a little GODDDDDD
And the Garfield mug,,,,
My heart,,,,
These are absolutely too precious omg,,,, thank you for sharing them with me ahhhhhhhhhh I love them too much
Getting very choked up LDKJFALDSKF
"On the edge of my seat for Arc 5 part 2" --> I HOPE I WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE UP TO EVERYTHING 😭💦I'm both excited yet nervous working on these final bits. I really hope I won't let anyone down LOL And I hope you'll enjoy everything when it's done!! Atm I have no idea what I'll do afterwards except perhaps some sort of remaster so I can redo some of the old art that makes me cringe now LOL and maybe add some new CGs or other random stuff to make it better. Who knows. Beyond that I have no idea and don't really have any plans yet. WE SHALL SEE.
Thank you again so so much for this comment!! This really made my day! That you took so much time to write all of this up AND THE LOVELY SKETCHES AHHHHHHHHHH I shall truly weep. This is very dear to me and I can't stop smiling now!!! Thank you so much!! 🥰💕
I waited a little while writing back because I wanted to have something more to say then just “!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
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I hope development is going well and that you’re having fun in the process!!!! This is the wrong place to say this but I love keeping watch of all the tumblr asks. It brings me immense joy (They are all so funny and I love seeing the characters being themselves and your art is as charming and expressive as ever).
I’m so glad you liked the sketches, your characters give me so much brain rot, they bounce around my mind like a dvd screensaver (affectionate). I loved the bit of insight into your writing process!!! Your writing style is incredible and it immediately hooked me on the story. I feel like inside of Our Wonderland there is a whole thesis paper there for the writing that someone who is smarter and better at media analysis then me should write so I can enjoy it lolol.
I started a tiny thing of Orlam in OFW….
Whatever you come up with will be great!!! I am already frothing at the mouth over all the teasers you show. I cannot wait :DD!!!
HELP SOMEHOW I MISSED THAT YOU REPLIED AGAIN AHHHHH LDKAJDSLKFAD
I LOVE THAT SKETCH SO MUCH??? HELP!!!! LOOK AT HIMMMMMMM guhhh.... OFW!Orlam is so near and dear to my heart, I really love him 🥺💦 Especially when he gets so into his role LOLOL this is too cute!! I love his little blush and blinks!! 😭
A WHOLE THESIS PAPER HELP???? UNSURE ABOUT THAT LKJFLKDAJFAD though I swear so often when people like, point out things to me like, omg was this on purpose, etc. I'm like....................... no LKDJFADS like connections or references and such. There are certainly some connections I did do on purpose and others that I had literally no idea I was doing so I just consider them happy accidents LOL
And thank you very much!! I'm glad you're enjoying the Tumblr asks!! I love answering questions and doing little doodles. It's such a fun way for me to do just random funny and/or cute little things in addition to normal dev stuff and I enjoy it a lot. I will keep doing my best!! Thank you so much for your support and love of the chars, ahhhhhh
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE CUTE SKETCH LDKJFALKDSFA 😭💦💕
this game is fun and i cant wait for part2 of arc 5 and get all the endings in part 2 as there is no WAY in HELL there is part 3 right.....right? (jokes aside don't rush out he game and do as many parts as you need if it means a project, you can be happy with)
edit: me now realizing that i unintentionally referenced a key theme to the game...welp guess im just a stuck in the game even after finishing it
THANK YOU???? I'm really touched that after playing OFW you would come play the original, and not only that you already finished it LMAO I'M GLAD YOU LIKE IT AHHHHHHHH 😭💦💕That really means so much??
I'm working hard on 5.2!!! It's chugging along behind the scenes. Still have no idea when it'll be finished as it looks like it'll probably be longer than 5.1, but at least the going is strong 🤭
Thank you so much for playing and taking the time to write up your thoughts and let me know!! I shall weep perhaps 🥺💕
keep up he great work my first visual novel i played was the OurLife games and this game was just as great and if not even better. Also if there is one thing I ALWAYS regret with ANY video game i play is the fact that I wish I could play them longer (as for some reason or another I tend to finish ANY game at a surprisingly fast rate, not fast enough to try speed running but faster then the average playthrough) but yeah 5/5 game would recommend for those who don't get triggered by the trigger warnings. I REALLY hope you do great things after this game but here are some genuine questions for you if you feel like answering: 1.if you end up wanting to do DLC for this game what would you focus on exactly, in other words would there be any lose ends that a dlc would wrap up or just small side stories of other new characters, or something else entirely??
2.I've noticed there are facts for all the characters (like blood type and stuff) except Hunar (and because I'm kind of curious) what are the facts for him?
3.what was the main inspiration for the game (besides allice in wonderland)
that's all the questions I have for you if you feel like answering them and also fun little fact my Birthday just so happens to be the day before bucks so that's a neat little thing anyways have fun continuing the game and have a good summer and all that jazz. Edi: also to clarify i did enjoy Our Fantastic wonderland since its easier to just put all my thoughts in one message, i might go back to that and do all the endings there since I jumped straight into this game after i finished it but that's a future me decision
HELP THAT IS SUCH HIGH PRAISE????? I don't know what to say ldkajflsdk 😭💦💕 I think I'm kinda middle-ground when it comes to speed of playing games. If I'm playing some kind of adventure or RPG game I play rather slowly as I always like to do all the random extra side stuff LOL But if I'm playing a VN, since I read rather quickly, I do tend to get through them rather quick 🤔 It perhaps depends on all the other stuff going on in the game tho, like if there's voice acting, etc.
Re: your questions:
1) Tbh I'm not super sure?? There won't be any lose ends after the game is over that I can think of. So I don't think I'd do anything like that. But I may do other random shorter side games about the chars just for fun, perhaps as part of some VN game jams, similar to what I did for OFW with Spooktober. I'm also thinking about at some point doing a sort of revamp/remaster of the game where I go back and redraw some of the old art from early arcs that I don't like anymore, maybe draw some new CGs, and also iron out some of the inconsistencies in the char design since some of them have changed slightly (especially Orlam's and Gidget's hair have evolved some since I first started drawing art for this game two years ago).
2) OH I HAVE ALL THIS INFO FOR HUNAR I just didn't have anywhere to put it LKDAJFLKDS His full name is Hunar Anand, he's 30, birthday is December 1st, blood type is A. Currently his job is stay-at-home dad, but he works on writing in his free time (he has a master's in english and has won multiple short story contests).
3. I don't know if I would say there's one MAIN inspiration. There's a lot of small inspirations tho?? Ofc Alice in Wonderland being one of them, but also American McGee's Alice gave me a lot of inspo, especially in the beginning. And Alice Human Sacrifice and other older vocaloid songs like Fear Garden. Also older RPG horror games like Witch's House and Mad Father. Oh, Stephen King's It gave me a lot of inspo. Also VNs like Umineko and Higurashi. There are also even like random homages to other things I enjoy, for instance some of the creatures are inspired by stuff from some of my fav games like FFXII and Mario Party ALKDJFAD There's been a lot of inspiration over the years from a lot of stuff!!
AWWWW THAT'S REALLY SWEET ABOUT YOUR BIRTHDAY!!! That feels very special ldsakfjasd 🤭
Thank you so much for taking the time to play and for your fun questions!! I always love answering questions about the game and chars!! And I'm really happy you enjoyed it (and OFW, too!!) 💕
Thanks for the answers (although if I had one more question it would be what Hunar's middle name is just because I wouldn't be surprised if it was goofy) and thank you for helping me fuel my visual novel addiction I've developed 1-2 weeks ago (also if you ever make a discord sever for Q&As and other stuff I just want to say I would join ASAP) I also want to thank you for how interactive you are with your fanbase outside of simple guidance for when glitches or bugs happens as I don't know a lot of people who do that and I love it and feel like other developers should do it more when they have time to do so (though if developers choose to use their free time with other stuff its perfectly fine to, they shouldn't feel forced to talk with their fanbase) that's all from me for now and good luck with your wonderful story EDIT: made this because I thought it would be fun to try and connect each of them to one of the 7 souls (I know Orlam's is a bit scuffed hell maybe all of them are scuffed but the way I see it is that what he does is HIS perception of what justice is in this world and for Gidget..well if you know you know)
Sorry for the delay in my response lakdjfasd I've been a little bit all over the place lately 🤣💦
Hmmmmm as for Hunar's middle name I hadn't thought of that yet. After doing some research, I think I might have it be "Karamchand" but I am not 100% on this. Tbh most of their middle names I came up with quite arbitrarily/spur of the moment LOL
I really love interacting with people and answering questions and such!! It makes me so happy and feel so honored that people would want to ask questions or leave comments, so I have a lot of fun and it makes me really happy responding back!!
Omg this is so cute??? I haven't played Undertale in a long time so I had forgotten what all of these represented and had to go look them up LOL 🤣💦 But these all seem really fitting ahhhhh 🥺💕
I DID NOT PLAN ON SPENDING A THOUSAND HOURS JUST BEING ADDICTED TO THIS GAME- WTF??? THIS DISTURBING, HORRIFYING, BEAUTIFUL, PIECE OF ART??? TOP 5 FAVORITE VNs??? IN LOVE??? FINALLY AN ACE MAIN CHARACTER??? THERAPY NEEDED??? FOR THE CHARACTERS AND MYSELF??? WOKE UP AT 3AM JUST TO FINISH PT 1 OF ARC 5???
GOD???? YOU SHALL MAKE ME WEEP SALTY TEARS FROM MY EYEBALLS. I'm really happy you enjoyed it so much??? THOUGH PLEASE SLEEP GODDDDDD. THERAPY NEEDED FOR THE CHARACTERS AND YOURSELF I'M WHEEZING.
Thank you so so much for playing ahhHHHHHH and I'm tickled pink that you like it so much 😭💕 This just gave me a really big half-snort half-snotty wail of joy reading this, what a treat LKDJALSKDJFAD Thank you also for taking the time to leave your caps-lock comment it really made my day LOLOLOL I shall treasure it 🤭💕
I AM VERY GLAD, HOWEVER. Thank you for loving Orlam, he does indeed need all the love he can get. 🤭💕
And thank you so much for playing??? I'm glad that you like the game and chars!! It means a lot ahhhhhh. And thanks for this comment that made me laugh a lot!! 🤣💕
UhhhhhHHHHH I'M NOT SURE?? I've never really thought about it before. It does make feel slightly weird thinking about it simply because I wouldn't know what would be done with the chars. I guess I would be fine if they were respected and the game didn't do anything weird?? 💦💦 But I'm not super sure. I would probably need to know more about the game before I'd be able to say either way??? For instance, something sweet and cute or something that explores more about the chars or their relationships or thoughts or even like untold moments between the moments of the game I would probably be fine with. However, something like a parody game or dating sim-esque game might make me feel a bit weird.
WHEN I TELL YOU I FREAKED OUT WHEN U RESPONDED im sorry your games just make me really really happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! deadass been hyperfixated on it for a few days straight , i even got my girl friend into it as well
ANYWAYS!! I was thinking of a game about an au where it was cinderella based instead of wonderland based? it would be silly instead of the more serious tone of how our wonderland is.... iggy as cinderella for example!!!!!!!!! i also had another idea about an orlam x iggy thing and theyre just being cute and stupid
Sorry if the original question came off as weird, i just love them alotttt
Oh no??? Do you mean that you played it once, and then tried to play it again and it suddenly doesn't work? That seems very odd... 🤔 It's hard for me to know exactly what's going on. What OS are you using? You could perhaps try to change to the 32-bit version if you can't play the 64-bit version? (or the other way around) Are you able to play other games made with Ren'Py? If you can't play any Ren'Py games, it could potentially be something with your driver... but I'm unsure. I was trying to find some solutions online but its hard to know more since I don't know exactly your situation. There are other hits in Google for instance with ppl talking about not being able to start up Ren'Py games, for instance, and some suggestions have included updating graphics drivers or changing the renderer used to display the Ren'Py games.
Hey!! Thanks so much for downloading the game!! 🥰 The game is close to completion! There are five arcs total (basically chapters), and currently 4.5 arcs are complete (I recently released the first half of the final arc). So there is just one half-arc left before the game is completely finished!
Whenever Gidget changed I was like "Oh, it's like they got less annoying somehow! And... handsomer??"
i also loved the subtle pronoun change gidget had.. and as always...
I LOVE GENZOU!!!
but I HOPE YOU ARE ABLE TO FINISH PART TWO WITH NO TROUBLES!!!
Good luck, and I'll be waiting!!! And save your tears for whenever I write the most longest essay of my life of how good this game is whenever it's finished!!!
P.S i let out the loudest squeal when i saw that part 5 was out. i luv this game.
this is definitely one of the most interesting and unique VNs i ever played like wow. the contrast between the cartoonish artstyle and the gruesome scenes make the horror element of the game REALLY effective - i read all the warnings before playing and witnessing all these scenes was still a terryfying experience. as for the characters, they're very well written and relatable, my favorite was probably orlam (i have a weakness for weird and off-putting guys i guess lmao). with that being said, i really wish there were more opportunities to get to know the characters besides genzou - i feel like just one chapter dedicated to them wasn't enough. i'm not sure if the other characters are romanceable - or if there are endings with romance at all - but i do hope we will at least get to know them better. i also hope gidget will acknowledge what they did to iggy and apologize because GOD that was messed up. ok this is getting way too long thank you for making this game, this was an amazing experience, keep up the good work <3
I'm so sorry for the delayed response—I normally like to get back much quicker than this, but I was having A Time. Thank you so much though for playing and for leaving your thoughts! It means so much! And I'm really glad that you enjoyed it??? 🥺💕
Oh gosh, I'm really happy you like the art style!! It always makes me wanna cry hearing that as I've had a lot of struggle trying to become more confident about it LOL And I'm really glad you like Orlam, he is indeed a weird little guy,,, 🤭 I'm pretty excited to dive into his final "act" so to speak as part of Arc 5 Part 2. There will definitely be more with all the chars! I think a big part of it comes down to how I set up the structure, which does indeed make for less time with some of the other chars outside of their main arcs,,, but I hope through more of Arc 5 and leading up to the end, people will get to know them even more. Particularly based on who you end up choosing for Iggy's final choice (there will be more opportunities in Part 2 for your choices to reveal more scenes with each individual char as it gets closer to the end,,, and then the final choice ofc ldkajfsld). You will have a chance to choose between Genzou, Orlam, and Gidget (or no one) for the final choice, similar to the OFW side game.
Yeaaaaahhhhh,,, at least one of the bigger talks I have planned for Iggy and Gidget is still to come in part 2—I wasn't able to get to it before I reached the halfway point at the end of part 1,, it's another of those scenes that I really hope I'll be able to get right lakdjfas 💦
ANYWAY THANK YOU AGAINNNNNN AHHHHHHH. I'm really so happy that you're enjoying things so far and that you took the time to write this up!! It means so much!! 🥰
Hi! I played the first part of arc 5 and wanted to give you feedback! So, for anyone else reading this, I guess there will be spoilers, so beware (?????)
So, I've been through a lot of emotions but the more it went on, the more... optimistic I got about the destiny of the characters. I don't know what to pinpoint to convey this, but in short: despite Wonderland being in full chaos this time, there was something particularly... wholesome? Of course, the end of the part is comfortingly positive, but I do think this part was so far the funniest one of Wonderland! I burst out laughing many times (and yet, you didn't fail to break my heart... but somehow, even Cecil's death... I knew it was to "conclude" Gidget's arc).
First thing first, let's talk about the beginning of the part: it really was interesting to see Genzou and Iggy be absolutely horrified and traumatised by what they had been through. A lot of media expose characters to horrendous things and often fail to portray the traumatism it might cause so I'm glad it was there. And seeing Iggy and Genzou rise from their pain to confront Wonderland one last time was a nice touch of optimism and, let's say it, heroism!
Also, Iggy's development is interesting: I still have in my mind those flashbacks during Arc 1's death, where Iggy erases himself from existence and I couldn't wait to see the moment he would take accountability (at least, to Gidget and Orlam, although Genzou has to be the one doing the most work here; I do agree the Genzou situation was an accident, and that, although he didn't try in my opinion to consider fully Bucks' struggle, he really cannot be held guilty of anything regarding her marriage with Hunar). I also hope other characters take accountability (for instance, although Iggy wronged them first, I do think Gidget owes A MASSIVE LOAD of apologies to Iggy, at the very least!!!).
Now, regarding Gidget... OH MY GOD, this was sooooo good???? I loved it so much???? The use of spiders as a "perfect" mother figure (only for its ability to hatch a lot of eggs) was an unexpected but really clever metaphor?? What a clever way to show a horrific vision of ultra-feminity, especially when imposed on trans men?? And even so, having their leg penetrating Iggy while trying to maintain "feminity"?? The contrast???? The intelligence??????????????? I saw the amazing spider fanart you received before playing this part (and read the arachnophobia trigger warning) and was expected Gidget to indeed grow spider legs but HOLY GOLLY, the bar was high after arc 4, which I really loved, and you exceeded my expectations! I can't emphasise enough how much I LOVED it! Fortunately I don't suffer from arachnophobia, but GEEZ, that was AMAZING!!!! That really was the peak of psychological horror for me, a perfect symbiosis between horrifying imagery and the depiction of a tormented mind!! Truly, a lesson in the genre! Really, words are not enough to express how much I LOVED the Gidget's part of this... first part, this was AMAZING! It was also interesting seeing Gidget trying at first to reach feminity in another way they did before: while they at first attended to reach feminity by being desirable in the eyes of a man (i.e. poor little asexual not even heteroromantic Iggy), I think, this time, it was more about trying to gain "independence" from Iggy's gaze by... meeting social norms (cf. the TV shows Iggy watched in the bedroom)?
So, I guess this is getting kinda long lmao so I'll stop ranting, but long story short: OH MY, that was good, and that's an understatement! Thank you for this amazing gameplay experience!!
Oh gosh, having trouble even finding a place to start with this. THIS ALMOST MADE ME CRY 😭💦💕 Thank you so so much???? This was a delight to read, especially since as always, you point out things that I didn't even necessarily see or be actively thinking about myself when working on this LMAO Honestly one of my favorite things ever is hearing from people how they interpreted things or how they reacted to things, since I know it will be different for everyone and I just am so curious of the Resulting Feels LDKAJDF so this just made me all kinds of ecstatic to read and I'm so so grateful 🥺💕
"but I do think this part was so far the funniest one of Wonderland!" --> LMAO I DO THINK THIS PART ENDED UP HAVING THE MOST SILLY MOMENTS. Unsure why. Perhaps after having lived with these chars and their troubles/tragedies for so long, I just desperately need them to be a bit silly even in the midst of the horrors going on. Also since this is the last arc, things DO need to start actually, you know, stop being completely and utterly hopeless the way the previous arcs have been HAHAHA. I am glad you enjoyed the lighter moments though. I had hoped they wouldn't be too much for people or too weird, especially given my strange sense of humor at times 💦
"it really was interesting to see Genzou and Iggy be absolutely horrified and traumatised by what they had been through." --> Oh, I'm glad! I feel like I particularly wanted to show how even Genzou was quite Affected as he's the one who's normally so tough to break (whereas Iggy,,, breaks often LMAO) especially as Genzou went through the most I feel?? Like he died the most??? And in some of the most horrible ways????? Th-the poor guy,,, 😭💔 (I say despite being the one who made all that happen to him,,, 💦)
"I also hope other characters take accountability" --> I-indeed, I feel like that will kinda end up being a running theme of the arc in general—finally facing up to everything that's happened both in the immediate past and also in the further past since it's the only way all of their iGnOrEd iSsUeS can finally come to light and they can begin working through them,,,
"the bar was high after arc 4, which I really loved, and you exceeded my expectations! I can't emphasise enough how much I LOVED it!" --> HELP THERE ARE TEARS IN MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSS how am I supposed to respond to thissssssssssss HHHHHHH 😭💦 I'm really really glad you enjoyed Gidget's part. I feel like a ton of my own emotions came out when writing and working on it (admittedly from both Gidget's side and Iggy's side since at times it feels a bit like two parts of me battling against each other LMAOOOOO) But I also had no idea how people would react to it or if it would be too much or if people just wouldn't be able to like understand or resonate with it at all, so that honestly means so so much and I'm really overjoyed to hear you say that 💕
"(i.e. poor little asexual not even heteroromantic Iggy)" --> SOBBING
"it was more about trying to gain "independence" from Iggy's gaze by... meeting social norms" --> Indeed,,, also like the fact that social norms for women are such high standards and with this expectation of perfection. So like, reaching what they think is perfection all by themself to prove themself to people like Iggy and their mother, etc. and show that they can be perfect and loved in the eyes of the world (or at the very least, the people around them).
"OH MY, that was good, and that's an understatement! Thank you for this amazing gameplay experience!!" --> GUH GUH GUH THANK *YOU* FOR THIS TEAR-WORTHY WRITE-UP THAT'S KILLING ME SOFTLY ALDKFJASDLFK
Honestly thank you, this was so wonderful to read. And I'm tickled to death how much you ended up enjoying it—it really means so much. I AM FILLED WITH DETERMINATION. THANK YOOOOOOOOU 😭💕
I don't feel like posting a long review because unfortunately, I'm not articulate enough in English but... You, people, need to play this game, if you are reading the comments to know whether it's worth your time or money, then the answer to both is YES. The story and character development are great, and the LGBT issues are so well written and realistic, seriously just give this game a try is a 10/10.
It might be a short or medium-long experience, but the story and characters will most definitely cause an impact on you and they'll stick for a long time in your mind and heart.
Carrot Patch Games, you guys are all seriously amazing.
Oh my gosh????? This is absolutely the sweetest comment ever HELP 😭💕 Thank you so much??? I'm so glad that you liked the game so much!! Thank you for playing and for taking the time to write up this comment—I'm getting all weepy ladkjafd
"you guys are all seriously amazing" --> LMAO IT'S JUST ME. I AM JUST ONE PERSON 🤣💦
Seriously thank you though. I'm so lucky to have your support! 💕
ARC 5 PART 1 WAS SO COOL!!! Like aside from the usual emotional damage this was so good and the change up from the usual loops is so cool. And spider Gidget was really cool for some reason?? I just really liked the design and I love everything spider themed lol. Honestly I dont know what else to say, but I just wanted to express my gratitude for your amazing work on this game😭 Im super stoked for part 2 !!!!
AHHHH THANK YOOOOOOU!! I'm really glad you enjoyed the newest part!! 🥺🙏💕 There's so much different in this arc (and also so much that hits me on a personal level) that I was a bit worried how it would stand up and how people would react to it, so that makes me incredibly happy to hear! I'm especially glad you liked Gidget's part!! 😭💦
Thank you so so much for playing and for your lovely words!! It means so much and really brightened my day! I'll keep working hard on part 2!😤💕
Hello, I come back here after arc 5 part 1? Yes, the newest one. Perhaps little tiny non-specific spoilers ahead.
Holy fucking shit. Congratulations. After 4 arcs of torture, murder, extreme violence and cannibalism, you finally managed to simply break me to the point where I was convinced I'll have to part ways with my dinner (I did not). Yes, it was the egg scene. Yes, I read the warning on that one but I was not prepared regardless. No, it's not your fault, you marked it well, I just vastly overestimated myself. Holy Jane Austen what the fuck. I'm so ready for more.
Also, I knew Cecil's got a little more in him, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know the feeling was right.
PS: I literally have a pic of myself in a similar pose and clothing as Gidget in that one post-haircut CG. Each and every day brings me closer to a Gidget cosplay. It will come one day.
OH MY GOD 💦💦💦💦 I-I AM VERY SORRY LADKJFALDKFAJ That part was indeed very intense 🥺💦 "I'm so ready for more." ---> LMAO THO G-G-GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT MUCH? 🤣
HAHAHAA omg,,, Gidget cosplay,,, 🤭 That would be so wonderful dkalsdfa one day~
I AM GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT?? I HOPE? LOL D-DESPITE THE EGG PERHAPS. Thank you so much for playing!!! It's always so lovely hearing from you 💕
Okay so that was amazing??? I would say that the first part of Arc 5 rendered me speechless, but I actually have a LOT to say, so...[SPOILERS FOR OUR WONDERLAND ARCS 1-5 BELOW]
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To begin with, I absolutely loved that beginning sequence. The moment of everything just hitting Iggy like a trainwreck of emotions and trauma was well-needed, considering how long he and the rest of the friend group have gone through the loop (which I'm assuming has been more than 5 times). It also has a similar effect to the players, with the start of the arcs having a few differences but nothing too out of the ordinary considering what happens the arc before. But then Arc 5 just hits you with the whiplash that Iggy remembers EVERYTHING rather than just having a strong sense of deja vu and he's taking time to process it, barely even functioning because of how hard it hit him.
Following immediately after that, the tree story: it was a nice way to connect the whole loop thing back to where it all began, which was the big tree that held the wonderland that they were all introduced to as children. Despite the tree closing itself off from the friend group because they inevitably grew up, Saydie was the key to opening it back up again. And it seems like she has a pretty significant role in the story, the end of Arc 1 implying that Bucks killed her in order to open up the tree again and her quite literally being on the menu screen held by Iggy (I'm assuming).
Going to Genzou right after Iggy's whirlpool of emotions, I couldn't even choose the "mean" options directed towards him because of that. Well, that and mostly because of my Genzou bias. But even if I absolutely hated him because of what he has done to Orlam (which is perfectly reasonable, he HAS said and done some fucked up stuff to him), I think it would just be adding more negativity to the landfill of the emotional trauma both Iggy and Genzou were going through. And plus, Iggy KNOWS what Genzou feels like so I personally think it wouldn't make sense for him to be callous and unsympathetic towards Genzou. It's also interesting to note the awkwardness between them compared to the beginning of previous arcs, most probably because they both remember the emotions that Iggy went through when it came to Genzou: it started with simply enjoying his presence, then loving him, then HATING him, and then seeing him as a place of comfort when Gidget, who he focuses on while Genzou is left on the sidelines, won't give him that comfort. Not to mention the crush that Genzou had on Iggy for forever. Genzou pushing Iggy away when he was lying down in the bathtub seemed to be because of how it pained him to be in his presence: his opinion of Iggy would certainly be very jumbled by this point and he also seems terrified to have Iggy be even the slightest bit angry at him because of what happened in Arc 3's boat scene. It's nice to see them quickly become comfortable with each other again though.
Focusing on the doll, I wonder what's the role it'll have in the story. It's an object that always reappears in Iggy's dreams specifically, and it also appears a few times in the forest leading to Bucks's cabin. The fact that it says "Please kill me, Iggy" is strange because if this is truly supposed to represent Saydie (going by how Iggy says it looks like a certain someone before he's interrupted by Hunar knocking), wouldn't she already be killed by Bucks? She might not be as evidenced by the crying coming from Bucks's phone (and then the hell screaming ig), but I dunno what it's really supposed to mean. Maybe Bucks killing her in order to access the tree perpetuates the cycle, and Iggy needs to take Saydie himself and kill her so the friend group can confront the situation head on without the whole wonderland stuff. (Also it's kinda sad that Bucks and Saydie have arguably the most important roles in the story while Hunar is just left in the dust... Iggy also emphasizes all FIVE of them which excludes Hunar. And also Saydie but like she's a child.) While I'll cover Gidget's section entirely in another paragraph, I'll briefly cover the doll motif that they have going on: they strive to have their appearance stay the same, like a doll. It's always the same, meaning it's PERFECT. Furthermore, they quite literally have dolls of Iggy everywhere that can easily be replaced: they no longer focus on the REAL Iggy, but substitutes that fulfill the ache in their heart that lacks his love and it further emphasizes how much worse their obsession is in Arc 5. They also mention this to Iggy, telling him that he can be replaced... it shows the shift in their mindset, from wanting to fix him to just replacing him.
Regarding the beginning of Iggy and Genzou's entry into the fantasy world once more, it seems like everything's a mess: even more than it was before. It shows us a glimpse into how bad everything will be. Which seems to foreshadow that the deterioration of Gidget's and Orlam's mental state is AMPLIFIED in this loop.
Okay, back to Genzou again. Of course, comfort and security is taken into account when Iggy thinks about him; those are reoccurring themes in Arc 2. Genzou's always there to reassure Iggy and close to him for the purpose of protecting him from any of the dangers that they encounter. But Iggy wants to repay him for all he's done. I mean, Genzou literally took an axe to the head for him. Not only that, he feels extremely guilty because he thinks he ruined Genzou's life but of course he didn't. Which ties back to Arc 1, which primarily focuses on Iggy. He feels RESPONSIBLE for everything, and so HE has to FIX everything. Obviously he is not, and it's not his duty to save everyone from their problems. But he also feels like this is what he has to do so he can stay friends with everyone, in order to maintain that camaraderie that he cherishes so much. Iggy CAN provide assistance and guide people to the right path when needed, but he shouldn't take things into his own hands and try to repair everything. It's relieving to see Genzou reassure Iggy that it's not up to him because he hasn't ruined anyone's life. (I also noticed when Iggy pointed out that Genzou wrestled a giant tentacle for him, it's a callback to how Genzou pointed out that Iggy tried to defeat an armored rabbit with a rake for him, which I think is really cute.)
And then... Gidget. Very complex situation. The external manifestation of their desires have changed dramatically in this loop: no longer focusing on sex appeal & emphasizing their body, but rather focusing on maintaining a PERFECT image of themself. Everything is pristine and spotless. Gidget rejects everything that would make them imperfect, which are emotions, nourishment, and so forth. But despite claiming that they've moved on from Iggy because he was holding them back, there are blatant signs that their statement is false. The Iggy dolls, the mentions of having sex with them, still being that hyperfeminine woman that seemingly everyone around them WANTED them to be. It exemplifies how their desires from past arcs still remain the same, just increased to an even more severe degree. All of it introduces the issue of Iggy feeling the need to FIX them... to "find the real Gidget." Considering how Gidget tried to fix him in the previous 4 arcs, why would flipping the situation around be any different? It also lies with his ultimate responsibility in their circumstances: sure, he might have contributed a LITTLE to the problem, but the full blame doesn't lie with him. It was everyone who upheld those expectations for them, ESPECIALLY their mom. I think the apology to Gidget was very much needed, considering how he basically cut contact with everyone around him after a while and didn't bother to talk to anyone. I personally would be FURIOUS if I centered my whole life around conforming to the expectations of a person that I really cared about and after years of not talking to me ever, they suddenly reappear in my life and tell me that this isn't the real me. Well no shit!!! But this isn't meant to place the blame entirely on Iggy like I mentioned earlier: it would be helpful if Gidget ever communicated their discomfort when they started dressing hyperfemininely; it would also be helpful if no one ever tried to be the gender police when it came to them either. Essentially, it's everyone's fault and not just the fault of one person.
Transitioning (hehe) to the spider cave, it was definitely an experience to say the least. It makes me wonder why it was spiders specifically, though I can see a connection. Spiders are viewed as ugly, gross, and they're monsters in the eyes of most people. And yet, they also fulfilled one of the primary "desires" that Gidget had: to start a family. They embrace being spider-like, even with that stigma around spiders. It can be compared to them desiring to present more androgynously in spite of what others around them say... akin to what they really want, but not there yet. Cecil also constantly tells them that they don't seem happy as they are, and also CECIL WOOOOOOO!!!! Though I don't think it was a matter of realizing what their true desires were, it was more like ACCEPTING what those desires were. Gives a reason for why Cecil is imprisoned in the dungeon below, in order to keep hiding from what they really want because it'll be a hard and egregious life for them if they fulfill those desires. But when they finally kill Cecil, someone who truly cared about them and wanted them to be happy, they finally break. They grieve for him, and then they start destroying the perfect image they tried so hard to keep up. I'm so sad that Cecil reappeared and then died so quickly, but WOOOOO THEY/THEM PRONOUNS FOR GIDGET!!!! I'm so happy to see them have an appearance they want, in spite of the horrible and unspeakable things they've done to Iggy. My non-binary identity and my asexuality makes these feelings conflicting 💀
I'm excited to see how the rest of the arc pans out!!! Geez, I really did write an essay, so I'll leave you with this short concluding message. I wish you luck with continuing Arc 5 🫶
This is like the most in-depth thing I've ever gotten GOD dhfhfh reading this was such a treat. AND I'M REALLY GLAD YOU LIKED IT??? This one was quite the doozy for me as well what with how the intensity of everything ramped up to 11 and the culmination of so many of my own feelings, too. HHHHH so I'm really happy to hear all this 🥺
Ohhhh I feel like that was a big part of what I was going for with the beginning parts. Like,,, similar but then not quite, to kind of ease into the arc (and then after that everything continuing to just get more and more different and messed up LOL). And yes, that is indeed who Iggy is holding in the title screen 🤭 I'm glad you liked the tree sequence?? It somehow felt like a good way to start bringing things back to the main story of what's even going on after the detours that were Arcs 2 through 4 HAHAHA.
Oh gosh,,, all the scenes in Genzou's apartment. Those really tore my heart apart to write (before sewing it back together hdggghf). I wanted to really emphasize just how messed up their minds and thoughts are after everything and how that would affect their interactions, so I'm glad it came across ok 💦 (I-I'm also just a sucker for hurt/comfort stuff, so that's that too LOL). My poor beans,,,
The doll,,, 💦 The doll will definitely come into play more in part 2. I just didn't have a chance to get to those parts yet dgfgh I just really hope I'm able to like bring everything together and wrap it up in a way that makes sense and is satisfying to everyone GOD. This really worries me ngl. So I'm glad to already hear some of your thoughts on it 🥺
"Which ties back to Arc 1, which primarily focuses on Iggy. He feels RESPONSIBLE for everything, and so HE has to FIX everything" --> Yeah this is such a huge part of Iggy and his story in general. His feeling of guilt and obligation because he doesn't even really quite understand friendship to begin with but does love his friends and wants to fit in and be accepted. And maybe it's something he'll never quite get over but at the very least he can learn to start feeling less guilty and learning to love and prioritize himself a bit more. I feel like that's also why I had Gidget just completely refute his apology -- because sure he needed to say it, but he's not actually the one who can "fix" anything despite how much he thinks he is, so even when he does what he feels should fix it, it blows up in his face, and in the end, Gidget accepting themself has nothing to do with him.
"it's a callback to how Genzou pointed out that Iggy tried to defeat an armored rabbit with a rake for him, which I think is really cute." --> FHDJFJFJD YES IT IS TEEHEE 💕
HHHHH your thoughts around Gidget really affecting me. That pretty much sums everything up quite well 🤣💦 A huge part of Gidget's story and growth is really based on my own thoughts and experiences and the things I've battled with and thought to myself, particularly in the wanting to be accepted and liked in the way I thought I was supposed to. Perhaps not quite to the extreme perfection angle here FJDJDJD but still something I fight with a lot even now, which is probably why it also took a lot out of me to write 💦
"I'm so sad that Cecil reappeared and then died so quickly, but WOOOOO THEY/THEM PRONOUNS FOR GIDGET!!!! " --> I AM ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY SAD BUT OVERJOYED AT BOTH OF THESE THINGS FHFHDH goddd,, I am really happy to have finally been about to bring Gidget to this point. It feels like such a momentous occasion after these past 4 arcs 🤣💦 AND NOW I CAN FINALLY LIKE DRAW ART OF THEM HOW I REALLY WANT TO DJFJDJD
"My non-binary identity and my asexuality makes these feelings conflicting " --> HAHAHAHAJA GOD THE PAIN IS REAL,I GET YOU 💦💦💦💦💦
Oh geez this whole comment just made me so happy YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA. I love reading stuff like this so much and hearing what ppl think of the chars and how they read into and interpret things. It makes my heart want to burst from joy 😭💕 So thank you so much again, not only for playing and for your lovely words but also just for your support and for loving the game and the chars. It makes me so overjoyed!!!! HHHHH MY HEART IS VERY SQUISHED 😭💕 I will keep working hard on the rest of Arc 5!! 😤
Oh, gosh!! Thank you so much??? I'm really happy that you're enjoying the game so much and took all the time to make the account and leave this comment! That means so much ahhhhhh 😭💕
Ahhhh,,, I am really happy about that, too 💕 A lot of Gidget's story is inspired by/based heavily on my own experiences and thoughts, so I'm glad it could also resonate with you,,, ahhhh,,, that's gonna make me cry for real,,, 🥺💕 I especially love hearing from people who can relate to or feel things from the story and chars ahhhh dlkfjadlkfja
Really thank you so much for the support and for your lovely words! What a little bright spot in my day!! 🥰
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It's 5:38 in my area and I'm playing OW Arc5 Part1 1/2 as soon as I can...
It's just, a huge desire for me to meet dear Genzou. I'm dying to meet him. Carrot, you are really good at plotting...
Ok, detailed things I'll add after I play it.Now I'm still in the forest and I meet the nightmarish tomatoes!! I can't help but to think about one strong
and cutehalfling knight... Then I saw a huge close-up of a murderous tomato. Oh, how thick the white border is!!! (wrong emphasis).Ohhhh, The rabbits were appearing so handsomely, weren't them? I have to say they're much handsomer than I expected... Ok, TOO CLOSE!!! You are too close to Iggy's face,and as we always say, such a distance means either a fight or a kiss~ Ok, quite too close.
Ha? I want to know why Genzou so angry.. From his words I think he's into the anger towards what Jerry had done in OFW, is it? Or it's just he hate rabbits as in the 4.5 Arcs rabbits were all their enemies?
BOYTOY???!!!! Wow! I have never hear about something like that, it's, fascinating🤣I like it. Boytoy of Gen, strange but ok.
LDKAJFLDKFAJDSFA OMG SO EARLY PLEASE GET SOME SLEEP????????? 🤣💦 I'm glad you're enjoying it so far tho!!! lakjdflakdsjfa this running commentary of your playthrough is making me laugh a lot!! LOL GENZOU HAD TO WATCH JERRY BREAK IGGY'S HAND AND THEN KILL ALL OF THEM HE STILL HAS SOME RESIDUAL ANGER BUILT UP FROM THAT LMAOOOOO
Glad you enjoyed the tomato ambush hahahahaha. Hope you'll enjoy the rest when you have a chance to play it!! 🤭💕
Carroty, carroty, carroty... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???????????????
I'll have to be honest with you, I CRIED GOSH I NEVER CRIED SO MUCH PLAYING A VN????????????????????? I'll explain in the spoilers part why but AAAAH MY HEART IS ACHING AND I'M CRYING (transparent lol) TEARS EVEN AS I'M WRITING THIS YOU MADE ME NUMB AAAAH (for players trying to understand what this means: the climax of part 5 1 1/2 is very emotional, and the perfect conclusion to what has been going through so far, and sets all the characters before what is the final confrontation).
The art? IMMACULATE, gosh, I loved the sprite work (at first I thought "Wow, Orlam looks like a [redacted for spoilers]" AND THEN THE PLOT AND THEN WOW????). I have to highlight the quality of the animations too, some parts of this VN really just feel like watching a animated feature!!!!!! The way the things are presented, the timing with the EXCELLENTLY chosen tracks (for instance, the one played in what I'll call the "rabbit hole" is a song I genuinely like! Thanks for the discovery!), WOW?????? I would say it was as amazing as usual but somehow, everytime it all gets better erfrgbhrfrfv undefeated Ren'Py animator, the inspiration behind me playing more with colour matrixes, animations and blur in my own games erfgntr
The writing also was extremely good for a stylistic standpoint!! I loved how there was a lot of French expressions, some I didn't even know were used in English (well, admittedly, this only concerns "bric-à-brac", but the more you know!). I don't think I ever underlined how good the writing is in your game, but let me emphasise it here: the vocabulary is always perfectly chosen both to describe what is happening and to set the mood. The characters all have a very distinctive way of talking which helps selling their personalities.
Now, that's all I can say without spoilers, so now, if you guys can forgive me, I'm going to spoil below.
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ORLAM ISN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDS TO TAKE HIS HEART OUT OF HIS CHEST APPARENTLY BECAUSE YOU HIT RIGHT WHERE YOU SHOULD!!!!! Orlam deciding to end his own suffering by BASICALLY BECOMING A ZOMBIE (that's what I actually thought when I saw his sprites: "Wow, he looks like a zombie??") BECAUSE ALL HIS MEMORIES BRING HIM AWFUL FEELINGS??? HIS ABUSE? HIS PAST RELATIONSHIP WITH GENZOU (somehow, it really gave an Adam x Alex vibe although YOU MADE IT SO MUCH MORE EMOTIONAL 3EFVBGFTEBDFDERFGHNGERFV5214DERFVB)??????? And the conclusion???? The climax?? Genzou finally opening up to Orlam, and holly golly did I not expect you to take the internalised homophobia turn (although Orlam is bi if I remember correctly)? Genzou just bullying Orlam because he represents everything he hates about himself?? It's hearbreaking for the both of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Orlam finally becoming human again (well, if you go beyond the metaphor, finally feeling a bit of peace about his trauma) once Genzou finally acknowledges that the way he was treated was wrong?? When Gidget and Iggy couldn't? When Genzou could have just insulted him as he's used to???? This made me cry so much, you have no idea Carrot, I have a headache so I hope I make sense but it was intense and beautiful????? Certainly my favourite scene in a VN ever????????????????????
In general, I also liked how the characters start taking accountability for their actions and decide to forgive each other (Iggy forgiving Gidget, for example, for everything they did to him in Wonderland; and reciprocally, Gidget forgiving Iggy for everything he said to them IRL; Genzou admitting he isn't a good person and needs to do better, and actually DOES better!!!). And the fact Orlam's character arc here is all about questioning this?? Is it enough to be sorry to excuse one's actions?? Can words heal years of trauma, of abuse or of resentment and bitterness? The answer is of course "no", but they are a starting point, it's finally accepting to adress the problem, to acknowledge its existence and to tiptoe your way to healing. It was addressed very well, and that's why the final scene with Orlam felt so emotional! Gosh, you certainly made of Orlam my favourite character (despite Gidget actually frightening me more for asexual reasons), when he was my least favourite before!!!!!
Regarding the action, I enjoyed the contrast between the threats in act 1 and the same ones in this part. While they participated in paiting the world the characters fell in in Arc 1, and were tools to let us explore the depths and dangers of Our Wonderland, they hold here so much more narrative weight! The building-up made throughout the whole game is nothing short of brilliant, Carrot, and it was intense!! I also really enjoyed the whole dyanmic between Jerry, the characters, their connection (even to childhood memories), and the whole "let's make a big plan to reach out to Orlam", it really set an interesting vibe which contrasted so much to what we got after, in the most perfectly crafted way.
Carrot, I really don't know how to conclude my reviews anymore. This is nothing short of a masterpiece, but I guess I already said that in the past... This game is intense, this game is beautiful, this game is everything a person, a soul, an artist, a writer, a human, heck! a carrot could put into a game. This is grandiose, and thinking of the time it must have taken you, of the care you put into this, of the love, the insecurities, the vulnerability you accepted to share with us... I just want to thank you for making me experience all this (I'm crying again writing us, because I'm genuinely moved)... All this feels somehow so personal and yet so intense? More than an inspiration to all game devs, as I explained before, you're just this kind of people, or souls, or hearts, or whatever we look for afar, so close and so far, that we immediately identify with and which has so much to tell; and yet, yet, it's almost as if we couldn't dare to brush you, because what you are giving us is already so intense, so strong and so generous? I'm sorry this review is less analytical than usual and more on the emotional side but I guess that's what you get for turning me into a crying mess (and I wouldn't have it any other way)!
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LOL, our thoughts are so similar: the compliment part and the zombie part are absolutely identical. I mean how he stands from the chair really does seem like a zombie. I would never imagine what cause this movement can happen here, and also every one can be a doctor in the Wonderland 😂
SOBBING I NEEDED TO LIKE. COLLECT MYSELF. AND GIVE MYSELF TIME TO REALLY APPROACH THIS BEFORE MY REPLY lkjdfalkdf You're literally making me sob over here GODDDDDD. Unsure I've ever gotten quite a response like this before and it's making me melt a tad (tho the fierce heat of today isn't helping much ldkajfdl).
I'M SORRY FOR MAKING YOU CRY. I also cried a few times. Especially while working on the final cutscene. Even just imagining it / planning it in my head together with the song before and while working on it would make me tear up dlkajfsd It was just a Big Emotional Moment for me with the game and chars and I wanted to try and get that across and make it have impact (which is why I "had" to make it a cutscene to begin with LOL).
Ahhhh I'm glad you liked the music in this part!! THE RABBIT HOLE SONG. I also liked that one a lot. It and a few others (like the preparing for battle one) gave me so many FFXII vibes and since that's basically my fav game and soundtrack ever I couldn't resist LKDJASLDK Picking out music for me is both fun but also slightly nerve-racking as I always worry about whether I'm going to be able to find the perfect track for the vibe / scene in my head. Some of the tracks for this part I already had chosen long ago (for instance, I think I've had the castle chase song chosen as something I knew I wanted to use in Arc 5 since... over a year ago, maybe even longer lakdjfs) but others I chose during production by my usual method of listening to 50 million songs from composers I already knew I liked or by using vibe filters LFAKSJDFA This part also had a lot of "image song" style music with the actual songs rather than BGMs, so I was hoping it would go over well with people and feel somewhat impactful as a result.
"I loved how there was a lot of French expressions, some I didn't even know were used in English" --> DLKASJDF I PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE MOST OF THOSE IN QUESTION WERE FRENCH. I didn't know bric-a-brac LMAO That's one of those words that got ingrained in my head as a child from watching Nightmare Before Christmas on repeat I think hahaha. Thank you so much tho for all the kind words about the writing ahhhHHHHH. I feel like no one ever really says anything about the writing when it comes to VNs (which I do get, like, it's only one part of the experience, and you're not likely to even notice anything about it over the story and chars and art and literally everything else), so I guess hearing that specifically somehow makes me even more wibbly and gooey jlkdfajds 💦 I've always felt I have a bit of a weird writing style in general so I'm never quite sure how people, like, react to it while reading HAHA. Particularly some of the odd turns of phrase or word choices (or how I apparently repeat things about chewing on the inside of cheeks or uncomfortable bowels again and again and again without my noticing LMAO). At any rate, that really means a lot. I'm really happy you enjoy the style and dialogue, etc.
"ORLAM ISN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDS TO TAKE HIS HEART OUT OF HIS CHEST APPARENTLY BECAUSE YOU HIT RIGHT WHERE YOU SHOULD!!!!!" --> SOBBINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG lkjfalkdsfjad I am honestly so glad this part felt so impactful ahhHHHHHHHHH. I had really hoped it would. 🥺
"(although Orlam is bi if I remember correctly)" --> Yeah he is, though at this point in time, neither one of them had all the answers about themselves and were just really confused mostly but did kind of both know they were similar in a way (and Genzou knew at least that Orlam liked him). In my mind, it was a combination of Genzou's own confusion about himself, his fear about people judging him like he saw them judging Orlam, and also the sheer fact that Orlam was just so wimpy and scrawny as a kid (something that Genzou never wanted to be seen as) that all contributed to Genzou's actions as a kid (along with the sheer fact that he kind of just was a mouthy brat to begin with and couldn't [and still can't] control his words or temper).
"When Genzou could have just insulted him as he's used to????" --> LDFKAJSDLFKAD I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THIS OUT. I wanted it to be like this juxtaposition where he finally actually is able to keep his mouth shut, which is so beyond what Orlam could have expected or imagined at this point and it just broke him.
"I have a headache so I hope I make sense" --> OH GOD ARE YOU OK???????? 😭💦
I'm really glad you like how the scene turned out tho......... this was a scene that I had semi-pictured in my mind even way back like over a year ago, that I knew I was working towards, but hadn't actually worked out most of the details. And it wasn't until I was actively working on this part that it started to form further, and then when I was actually writing it it finally all came together. Like so many of my scenes I tend to go in semi-blind with just a single mental image as a guide and hope that while I'm writing it all falls into place LKDJFALKSDF
"The answer is of course "no", but they are a starting point, it's finally accepting to adress the problem, to acknowledge its existence and to tiptoe your way to healing. It was addressed very well, and that's why the final scene with Orlam felt so emotional!" --> GUH YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME CRY ALL OVER AGAIN. I'm happy this came through well......... after everything these characters have been through, I didn't want to rush to "omg everything's better" when clearly it wouldn't be LMAO but I did want to start planting seeds of hope and forgiveness that could allow for a path forward for them. They've all hurt each other so many times at this point. But at least now they're finally meeting it head-on rather than ignoring it like usual...
"This game is intense, this game is beautiful, this game is everything a person, a soul, an artist, a writer, a human, heck! a carrot could put into a game. " --> THIS IS SO BEAEUTIFUL AND SWEET I'M WEEPING HELPPPPPPPPPPP. I don't even know what to say... except that I'm so glad that it could be something so meaningful and that my story and chars could speak in such a way. And also thank you??? Not only for the beautiful and kind words but also for playing and for all your wonderful support and encouragement and motivation. It truly means a lot 💕
I can't even begin to thank you enough honestly for this review. I feel so touched and honored and emotional and can't stop reading back through parts of it. Thank you so much for taking the time to write out all your thoughts and emotions. GUHHHHHHHH I'M JUST A WIBBLING WEEPY MESS NOW FROM WRITING OUT THIS RESPONSE. Reading this honestly has made my entire night/day/weekend LDKAJFLDKAFD Going to go cry a thousand tears now... 😭💦💕
Thanks a lot for making me feel things. I love these characters (though I do have favorites WWW) This was one of the most HHHhhh arcs, but also one of the most beautiful. I'm looking forward to, but also dreading, the conclusion.
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I cant believe you murked Jerry what the FAQING FAQ!?!?!
KDLAJSDKFA YOU ARE WELCOME?????? I hope it wasn't too much. I also felt many things and may or may not have cried multiple times, especially while making the final cutscene 🤣💦 I'm really glad you enjoyed this "arc" (part arc, one-third arc, WHATEVER IT IS). HHHHHHH I REALLY HOPE I'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE FINAL CONCLUSION OK AND LIVE UP TO EVERYONE'S HOPES AND DREAMS. Thank you so much for all your support and your love for the game and chars!! 🥺💕
(KDJFLADSKFDS WELL........ what can I say...)
still playing through it but so far omg it's so good and so fucking compelling. Had to try it out after playing Save The Last Dance and I'm so glad I did.
Omg thank you????? I'm so touched that you wanted to give it a try after playing StLD! And also that you're enjoying it so much ahhhhh!! Thank you for the kind words, and I hope you enjoy the rest of it!! 🥰💕
YAH I REALLY ENJOYED IT, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TEARED UP
omg this is the best game i have played in years all the characters are so lovable and i cant help but hope we see a lot more of them after the game especially igg
AHHHH THAT'S VERY SWEET?? I'm so glad that you enjoyed the game so much and that you like the characters!! 😭💕 lkjalkdsfa I hope to keep making more with these characters even after the main game is done -- even if it's just some side games or art, writing, etc. I feel like I definitely won't want to say goodbye to them even after the game itself is finished 🥺 I'm really glad you like Iggy so much!! Somehow hearing that makes my heart very happy. Thanks so much for playing and for letting me know your thoughts! I hope you'll enjoy the last parts of the game! 🥰
i loves this game,10000/10😭❤️🩹🙏.
HHHHHH THANK YOU VERY MUCH??? I'm very glad that you like it!! Thank you so much for playing! 🥰💕
very very good game!! when it has been translated into portuguese brazil i will play again
Thank you!! Though I have to apologize as I don't really have any money for translation, so it will probably never be translated (it is quite long, after all) 🥺💦
Only recently heard of "Our Wonderland" about about 2 days ago, but MAN--I feel spoiled being able to binge all of Arc 1 to Arc 5 1/2 within those 2 same days. Cause, that's how f*cking engrossing the whole storyline and cast of characters is!!!
And the fact that there's newer features like a helpful CG Gallery and title-detailed save files makes me feel extra spoiled-rotten, compared to the fans who played this game since its early beginnings (lmao). 100% COMPLETION GET!!!
That said, this whole story portrays and explores upon a lot of LGBTQIA+ and mental/emotional health themes that I WISH a lot more stories did with such sensitivity and nuance. Just feels so nice to be "seen", you know? Personally, a mixture of Gidget's + Iggy's + Genzou's issues hit me really hard--but also, felt damn cathartic watching some other character articulate these similar experiences for me, on-screen.
I also enjoy the depth and details that go into characters that you seemingly dismiss as purely dislikable or treat as "purely heroic" on the surface. (In my case, I like getting my expectations subverted when getting to learn more about Orlam--who I initially wrote-off as some jerk-ass incel, but have grown to like; and Genzou, whom I still like, but still hold accountable for going overboard sometimes).
Everybody in this cast got their share of personal traits, strengths, and flaws; all of which feels real, well-developed, and not just "tacked on" to earn Social Cool points or whatever. Instead, whatever traits they possess--to me, they just feel organic, natural to the circumstances they found themselves born in and just really nails home the complexity of human beings and human relationships. (Iggy...I feel you HARD on making senses of human relationships and How to Socialize 101).
Hell, I like the fact that all of these people hold backgrounds and lifestyles that feels delightfully down-to-earth? Like, nobody here has flashy "romanticized" jobs that you'd find in some mainstream dramas--but rather, jobs and emotional preoccupations of the unglamorous day-to-day. How most humans (read: us, peasants) got to cope and live amongst the daily grind, yanno? Everybody here got their own issues, all of which are too real and relatable, esp. depending on who your parents are (ugh... Gidget and Orlam, I've seen that sort sh*t in my life and with other friends' parents. SMDH.).
These characters--despite their silly names (lmao... IGNATIUS, I'M SORRY BRO)--all feel like somebody I'd meet from just off the street, yanno?
All of the arcs tore out my heart in some way...all of the deaths were delightfully mortifying and delightfully creative...all of the wonderful irony, double-meanings, and eyebrow-raising implications (Orlam's Arc was chock full of those--ugh, his poor rabbit T_T)...all of Genzou's creativity in swears and metaphors also win a gold star in my book... and NGL, I just love the interactions (especially all of Genzou & Iggy's, but eyyyy what can I sayyyyyy~).
Don't mind me, I'll just be here in my corner, with a swooning-dopey expression like Gidget does in some of their scenes (I see what shout-out reference you did there~ lmao).
Man, I wish I can be more concise & articulate on why I love this game--rabid, almost mouth-frothing so--and what makes it's so unique and immersive for me, especially having spent so long with the characters (across multiple timelines in fact, lmao). But yeah, I'll be rocking back-and-forth happily in my chair--awaiting the Part II whenever it comes out--cause no matter the length of the wait, Our Wonderland has just that kind of storyline and cast that sticks with you. Of just being too memorable to forget.
(Definitely can see myself replaying this whole game, just to spend time revisiting/"hanging out" with the characters--almost as if they were my own friends or something, lmao.)
But anyway, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING SO MUCH TIME, EFFORT, DETAIL, AND ATTENTION INTO THIS GAME!!!
Your effort really shows!!! Just keep doing you!!! Whatever the heck you're doing writing-wise, me likey!!! (*A*)
[P.S: And thank freaking god there's spin-off games to "Our Wonderland", such as "Our Fantastic Wonderland", cause all of these characters deserve a freakin' comfort break from their main storyline (lmao). Me too honestly...I just want them all to be happy if possible. ;____; ]
Same! I just hope they all have a happy ending at the end of the story. With no injury! Whether mental or physical... For me, I'm too upset to see Genzou dies so miserable in all four Arcs, especially the Arc 4... He only got his sight back in the wonderland, then it was taken away from him, with such violence way. Such violence.🥺
For reals -- I hope all the characters come out (relatively) unscathed and happy too. Some probably will need further therapy after this whole experience, but hopefully they'll have each other as support too. T__T
And yea, Genzou exemplifies the true Ride and Die.
NGL, I can appreciate from a writer's standpoint the amount of creativity/irony that went into some of Genzou's Death/Pain CGs (ahahaha,
OF COURSE YOU WOULD REMOVE HIS EYES, ORLAM, BUT OF COURSE) but damn... I feel you, cut this poor man a break!!! ;__;I guess it does balances out in that Genzou gets a LOT of comforting/deep interactions with Iggy (<3), if that's any good karma meant for him...lmao. (Poor guy needs it.)
HELP THIS IS SUCH A LONG COMMENT LAKDJFLAKDF I AM WEEPING AND MELTING INTO A PILE OF GOO????????? 🥺💦
Firstly just thank you so much for taking the time to write all this up??? My heart is squishing! And secondly thank you so much for playing the game to begin with!! I'm so happy that you ended up liking it so much ahhhHHHHH lkajldskfa 😭💕
LMAO IT'S TRUE THE MOST RECENT UPDATE DID BRING ABOUT SOME NICE QOL TYPE STUFF I FEEL A BIT ASHAMED WASN'T THERE EARLIER. I will probably continue to do a few other QOL things as well before it's completely done. I actually would like to finally do a bit more with the GUI for instance....... it's a bit... default in places... and now that I've learned more about how to edit and work with the GUI a lot better, I'd like to polish it up a bit lakdjfasd
"this whole story portrays and explores upon a lot of LGBTQIA+ and mental/emotional health themes that I WISH a lot more stories did with such sensitivity and nuance" --> HELP THIS IS TOO HIGH OF PRAISE LKJKAFD I am really glad you think so though. Many of the... things... that happen in the game are based wholly or in part on a lot of my own experiences and feelings and attempt to work through stuff about myself. So it really means a lot and touches me greatly to hear that others can also relate to it and feel some catharsis 😭 The more I worked on the game, the more personal it became to me, and the more each of the characters became a different sort of reflection about parts of myself (that I then proceeded to promptly twist in on itself and weep a thousand tears as it broke me into infinite tiny pieces again and again and again LOL). I always just hope people will be able to relate to at least one of the characters!! Or perhaps at least understand them I guess, even if not being able to personally relate.
"I also enjoy the depth and details that go into characters that you seemingly dismiss as purely dislikable or treat as "purely heroic" on the surface." --> I REALLY WANTED TO GO HARD INTO THIS SO THANK YOU??? Like. I wanted to (and hoped I'd be able to) create characters that felt very human and gray because all humans are complicated and gray and there's literally no one out there that will ever be perfect or never do anything bad or never make you want to rip your hair out of your head sometimes kdjfadsaf
"Orlam--who I initially wrote-off as some jerk-ass incel" --> I AM SOBBING??????
"(Iggy...I feel you HARD on making senses of human relationships and How to Socialize 101)" --> It is truly an impenetrable enigma sometimes... 💦
"These characters--despite their silly names (lmao... IGNATIUS, I'M SORRY BRO)" --> I JUST CHOKED.
"--all feel like somebody I'd meet from just off the street, yanno? " --> And them immediately teared up because this is very sweet HELPPP.
"all of the wonderful irony, double-meanings" --> I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE VARIOUS THINGS I WAS TRYING TO DO WITH... WITH STUFF........ I NEVER KNOW. (also other stuff that I had zero idea I was even doing apparently and people pointed out to me later...........)
"all of Genzou's creativity in swears and metaphors also win a gold star in my book" --> THIS PLEASES ME.
" mouth-frothing" --> MOUTH-FROTHING 😭
"(Definitely can see myself replaying this whole game, just to spend time revisiting/"hanging out" with the characters--almost as if they were my own friends or something, lmao.) " --> My heart just imploded??? I have no words....... 🥺💕
"I just want them all to be happy if possible. ;____; " --> GOD me too....
GUHHHH I'M A WIBBLING MESS.
This was absolutely too much and too sweet and too stabbing directly into my heart lakdjfas I'm really so so overjoyed that you like the chars and their stories so much. I-I WILL KEEP WORKING HARD 😭I really want the finale to be work it for everyone and to live up to everything that's come before it, so I feel like I'm putting double the effort into making everything as good as I possibly can for the last bits... BUT ALSO I'M VERY NERVOUS AND ANXIOUS ABOUT IT AND JUST HOPE PEOPLE WILL LIKE THE CONCLUSION.
Thank you again for this wonderful little message that just really brightened my day and brought (plentiful) tears to my eyes!! 🥰
Yay, I'm glad my comment was uplifting to you (text-dump wall that it was). Thank you for liking my ESSAY of a comment, lmaoooo~
I know you're working hard on the game, but I also just hope you're having fun with your characters as well!!! From what I've played, it sure feels like you're allowing yourself to have fun (SUPER IMPORTANT TO KEEP SIGHT OF!!!)--and that same passion/devotion shines through in the gameplay. Players easily catch onto that; it's just infectious passion, yanno?
And yeah, I can see how creators understandably feel nervous on how their audiences might perceive the ending(s) of their story. That extra mental energy is definite gasoline for the creativity tank, ya?
This is just my two cents SO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, but since you're the one who knows your characters best, I'm sure you'll discover the conclusions for each character that feels the most "truest"/"right" for their personal journey.
If you just continue on with your knack for good & consistent characterization, the majority of readers will come out ultimately satisfied.
Sometimes worrying about people's negative feelings about an ending is besides the point, anyway; especially if a character's series of (ahem, BAD) choices & cause-effect development logically foreshadows/lead them up to their tragic ending (eg. famous Greek/Shakspearian plays like "Oedipus Rex" and "Hamlet").
While I know there's RL people's feelings about the ending to consider, focusing more on the characters' feelings on how far they come + where they end up is the higher priority, IMO.
Given what I played from your games thus far, you've given me a lot of material to where I can say that, I trust you as a storyteller. I trust that you care enough about each of these characters' unique journeys and honoring who they were, who they are, and who they may become. Unlike some TV shows, where they pull a total ass-pull of an ending just to "shock" against audience's predictions, despite zero prior characterization or plot-foreshadow leading up to it. 🙄
To me, you possess good balance between knowing when to keep consistent characterization VS. show psychological/circumstantial nuances that go against a character's usual behavior patterns. The fact that you drew parts of it from your own personal experience, just shows your alchemic ability to transmute your raw unique experience into material that illuminates the humanity within all of us.
It's definitely vulnerable and difficult to find ways to organize all of those rampant emotions & thoughts into something as concrete as a game, but hell--you managed to!! And you even invited others (us, players) along for the fun, wild brain ride!!! Thanks for giving players like me, such a rewarding emotional experience (and lovely memories) revolving around such an awesome cast of characters.
"I also just hope you're having fun with your characters as well!!!" --> I definitely am!! Tbh the chars are the major reason why I'm still chugging away after all this time and why I'm still so motivated to keep working each and every day on it lakdjfasd I normally am not super great at actually finishing larger projects that I start out to but the chars and this story overtook me to the point where it's been the largest part of my life for the last...... gosh almost two years now 💦
"I trust you as a storyteller." --> THANK YOU????? That honestly means a lot and gives me a lot of confidence lakdjfas This story has already grown so much larger than I ever expected it to when I first started out, and the characters, too. I know where I'm headed with them in my head for the finale -- I just hope I can actually make it work when it comes to writing and directing it LOL And I want players who've been along for the ride to feel like the ending is deserved ig 💦
"The fact that you drew parts of it from your own personal experience, just shows your alchemic ability to transmute your raw unique experience into material that illuminates the humanity within all of us." --> THIS IS TOO MUCH?????? YOU ARE FLAYING ME WITH YOUR WORDS LKASJDFLASKDF
"Thanks for giving players like me, such a rewarding emotional experience (and lovely memories) revolving around such an awesome cast of characters. " --> YOU ARE SO WELCOME. It fills me with joy every day to be able to share something that's so meaningful to me and have people enjoy it so much (despite also making me feel a bit embarrassed LOL).
Thank you so much for all your words of encouragement!! I've been pretty up and down lately due to general mental health stuff so honestly this means so much and is really giving me a lot of joy and feels right now. Thank you for taking the time to leave such a wonderful and sweet comment!! 😭💕
It's amazing! Although when I first read this story, I felt a bit uncomfortable with many of the violent scenes, especially the scenes in the fourth act where his legs were cut off and his eyes were gouged out. Yes, I just want to say that Genzou is too miserable! Every time I remind of the scenes that he dies (among all four Arcs), I feel very painful and can't help but shed tears. 😭
I want to know why Genzou is blind in real life. And one thing that I also care about is that, Genzou was rational from the beginning, and even when he restore his sight back, he knew we should go back to reality. However, compared to Genzou, the other three people are much crazier in my feelings.
I do know that Genzou bullied Orlam since childhood, but in return, Orlam boiled Genzou, or cut Genzou into pieces( and then made him into a dish in front of me? I don't fully understand what happened in Arc 3), or digged Genzou's eyes out and cut his legs down. I think Orlam's too crazy,,, I can't imagine, is it just because he's such one kind?
Ahhhhh thank you very much!! I AM SORRY FOR SOME OF THE INTENSE SCENES 💦 G-Genzou really does go through it. I feel like he suffers the most out of all of them when it comes to sheer painful deaths and torture... 😭 (though Iggy has his fair share in Arc 2 dkjaflsd) I'm glad that you were still able to enjoy the game even in spite of the intensity and the Genzou!suffering💦💦 Thank you very much for playing and for taking the time to write up your thoughts!! It always means so much to me to hear from people who've played it 🥺💕
"I want to know why Genzou is blind in real life." --> The accident in junior high. It's in the flashback scene towards the end of Arc 1.
"And one thing that I also care about is that, Genzou was rational from the beginning" --> I would say some of this probably has to do with the fact that he and Iggy are there the least amount of time as all of them. Wonderland has a tendency to twist them further the longer they stay down there. Plus when the other three first arrived, they were treated very well and got to live like royalty essentially. Whereas when Iggy and Genzou first arrived, everything was already turning horrible and they had to run for their lives in order to survive LOL so Genzou (and Iggy, too, even though he didn't wish for anything yet) couldn't really get lured in and twisted like the other three (well, except for Iggy in Arc 3 LKDJFASLKD). I do wonder what would happen if for instance Iggy and Genzou had arrived in Wonderland earlier and had a nicer time how it would have turned out... would be an interesting AU perhaps LOL 🤭
"I think Orlam's too crazy,,, I can't imagine, is it just because he's such one kind?" --> What do you mean by that? 🤣💦 Mmm... I mean... Orlam would never do any of those things in real life LOL Much of it is Wonderland twisting his thoughts far beyond anything that could have been possible in reality. Obviously he already had a (warranted) grudge because of all the suffering and heartbreak Genzou had caused him over the years but he would never kill or torture him in the real world laskdjfasd Just like Gidget would never assault Iggy in the real world 💦 That's one of the things I find most interesting about Wonderland tbh -- that it hooks into their base feelings and conflicts and amplifies their thoughts and emotions by like... a thousand LOL So you end up seeing them as the most twisted versions of themselves and have lost much of their ability to see reason.
"I don't fully understand what happened in Arc 3" --> Lol yes you were right, he feeds Genzou to Iggy, basically.
Thank you again for all the lovely thoughts and for playing the game!! I'm glad you enjoy the characters! 🥰
Ah! I played the first Arc again just now. I wonder about the accident related to Genzou's eyesight. Did he fall off the stairs while checking the hallway, for Iggy?
With Bucks', Gidget's, Orlam's past, now I do know why Iggy wanted himslef not to exist...Even in Arc 5, he still blamed everyone's problems on himself. And I have more feelings about Genzou's words, he in Arc 5 said that "Don't you fucking say that. Do you hear me?" The last time I see these words, I thought Iggy was talking about waht happened in Arc 4. You know,, Genzou was severely harmed. Now I see that Iggy was talking about Genzou's eyesight, didn't he? I feel even more heartbroken about them now, much more than I first played this game.
Carrot is so good at making splendid stories 55555. 🥺
Yes, that's what happened!
And yes about the convo in Arc 5, too. Iggy blames himself for what happened to Genzou --> not only for the accident itself, but also for the fact that he abandoned Genzou for a while afterwards because he still felt uncomfortable and confused about what happened. There's a whole lot of complicated emotions at play but that's the jist of it, at least 💦
HELP that's very sweet. I'm really glad you like it and the chars 🥺💕
ladies and gentlemen, i introduce you my latest hyperfixation
seriously though, this game is fucking amazing. I started playing it this morning thinking ill just play for a few hours to get my mind off of things and its 3 am before i know it x_x cant wait for part twooo
DLKJFASLDKJFALSDKJFA HELPPPPPPPP
Thank you so much????? That means a lot ahhhhh 😭💕 Thank you so much for playing!! And for taking the time to leave a comment. THOUGH I'M SORRY IT'S TAKEN OVER YOUR BRAIN??? I hope you were able to get some sleep 💦 I'm working very hard on the next part!! Hope to be able to share more soon!!
Can someone help me? I tried to download the game several times but it always says that the file is corrupted when unzipping 😭😭😭
Hey! Which version are you trying to download? (for which OS) and what is the exact error you're getting? Like when you try to run the game? Or before that? No one has ever reported an error like this before so I'm not sure... 💦
I've been trying to install the latest version for Windows and whenever I try to unzip it, this appears:
"! C:\Users\xxxx\Desktop\new folder\OurWonderland-5.0-win.zip: The archive is corrupt"
thank you in advance just for try to help me :'D
What a strange error... 😵💫 I'm at a bit of a loss as I've never had anyone have this issue before and when I redownload from the site myself it works just fine... 😭🤔
I've tried looking up general errors about unzipping stuff on Google. I have some potential suggestions/further questions:
1) If you download the 32-bit version (the last one in the list) does it do the same thing?
2) Do you have an antivirus with a strict rule? If you disable it while downloading/unzipping does it change anything?
3) What program do you use to unzip? Have you tried WinRAR or 7-zip?
4) Does the downloaded file size match the file size listed next to the download on the game page? (to make sure it's downloading the complete file)
5) Do you have any special characters in your Windows username? If you change the file name of the zip file to "ow.zip" does it change anything? (just testing if the period in the file name is doing something)
6) Do other Ren'Py game zip files you download off itch work? For instance if you download the file for one of my other smaller games does it unzip successfully: https://carrotpatchgames.itch.io/texting-the-awkward-ace-guy-youve-had-a-crush-o...
7) If you download it somewhere else other than your computer (for instance on your phone or a different computer) and then transfer it, does it change anything?
These are some of my initial suggestions/questions after reading about people with similar issues extracting downloaded zip files. Let me know if any of these change anything!
thank you very much for the help! for some reason my antivirus has a problem with the 86 version of the game so I went to download the 32 version, and it worked! Thanks, I was really looking forward to playing your game!!!
U3U mwah mwah mwah mwah
I just hope this ends with a happy ending....
Th-there is a light at the end of the tunnel 🥺💦
I usually play romance games therefore I actually played the small texting game before this and fell inlove with the characters.
This has kept me so hooked that my fav part of the day was when I would get home and get to contiune the game.
This game made me both cry(really hard) and smile(just as hard) and I absolutely can't wait for everyone to get their happy ending. Your work is amazing and your writing fenomenal. This whole game and its characters are a piece of art, I wish more people knew about this game.
Anyway thank you for making this game, it is an honor to be able to play it <3
Ahhh you played T2A2G first?? Thank you for telling me alkdsjfas somehow I find that so sweet 💕 I'm glad you liked the chars so much in that one enough that you'd want to play the main game!! That means a lot.
And ahhhhhhh just hearing that makes me want to cry, that's so lovely! I'm so glad you enjoyed the game so much??? THOUGH SORRY FOR MAKING YOU CRY KJDAKDF I also want all of them to finally eventually be able to find some happiness 🥺💕A piece of art THAT IS SUCH HIGH PRAISE I SHALL WEEP. 😭💦
Thank you so so much for playing (both this and T2A2G!) and for taking the time to write this up. This was really touching and just such a happy little moment in my day to read. I hope that you'll like the final part once I get it finished!! I'm doing my best to make it the best I can 🥰
Can't wait for part 2!!!😍 😍 😍
Ahhhhhhh thank you!!! I'm working very hard! I really want to make the final part as best as I can 🥺💕😤
i wish this was for android, i can download on my chromebook T-T
Ah, I'm sorry!! I do want to eventually make an Android version, but I'm waiting to do it until after the full game is complete as it will take me a lot of time and effort to convert it and redo all the interfaces for mobile 💦 It's definitely something I want to do eventually though!!
(!!! Slight Spoilers at end of second paragraph !!!)
Hello I just finished all that is currently released of the game and I am ADKHKJDHKJHFKJDF OH MY GOD I am going insane, sobbing, chewing on cardboard about this game it is just so !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I played it all in one sitting and it's 3 am right now and I don't think I'll ever be able to emotionally recover from this.
Okay, I am so unbelievably normal about this. Just. Deep breaths. Just wanted to inform you that this game is a genuine work of art, a gift to humanity, proof that there really is good in the world and it takes the form of nightmare inducing visual novels with a cast of characters that I want to make a cup of tea for SO BAD, and I am, in fact, a Genzou truther but that does not change the fact that I am In Tears over Arc 5 Gidget I love them so hecking much, and oh my god everything about their arc hit me in the hecking feels I've been out non-binary for two years now and I genuinely had to step away for a little bit when they appeared in the morning because (╥﹏╥)
All in all just wanted to say that I am likely going to be physically incapable of thinking about anything else but this game for the foreseeable future and I am also sending all the good vibes your way!! Thank you so much for making this game and sharing it with the world wide web! I will never recover <3
OMG ALL IN ONE SITTING??? HOW???? IT'S SO LONG MY GOD LKDJFASD I hope you were able to get some sleep??? 😭💦 Ahhh you're gonna make me cry though, this is such a sweet comment!! I'm so happy you like the game and chars so much GUHHH my heart feels so full. Thank you so much for playing and for taking the time to write up such a lovely comment. It really means the world 🥺💕
YOUR PRAISE IS TOO MUCH??? Thank you so much... I am very touched lkadjfad And I'm really happy you like both Genzou and Gidget. Gidget's Arc 5 scene/reappearance was very cathartic for me, as well, especially after all the very hard-to-write scenes I had to go through to get them to this point LOL Gosh, so much of this game was simultaneously so difficult yet so freeing to write. It's really become quite a personal deep-within-the-cockles-of-my-heart project for me, so that makes me doubly happy and weepy that others are also able to connect with it and find things to relate to and generally just like it, so really, thank you 💕
Thank you for the good vibes!! I shall use them as I continue to work hard on the final part! Trying to give it my all 💦 Thank you so much again for your kind words and support!!
i've only just started playing this game (I'm at the castle area) but from what i can tell the amount of content is insane??? and the way its written makes me feel like I'm watching a movie, I absolutely adore everything about this game, it's seriously impressive! (cant wait to see more of orlam tbh)
when i look at this comment i feel like I am looking at a younger, more innocent version of myself. 3 hours later my soul is CRUSHED /j /lh
HELP ALDSKFJADSFA
THIS COMMENT GAVE ME SUCH A LAUGH, SO THANKS FOR THAT ALREADY 🤣💦 Oh gosh I'm snorting a little LOL A YOUNGER MORE INNOCENT VERSION 😭 I AM SO SORRY FOR THE TRAUMA???
I am so glad you enjoyed the game though ahhhh thank you so much for playing?? IT IS A PRETTY LONG GAME. By the time I finish the second half of Arc 5 this thing is gonna be like around 20 hours or so GEEZ. I'm not sure I expected it to reach this length when I first started I must admit... both the length and the CG amount kinda ran away from me the longer I worked on it alkdsjfa But I'm really happy you're enjoying everything so far!! Thanks so much for taking the time to write up
(such a funny comment)your thoughts ahhhh it means a lot??? I will keep working hard on the last part!! 🥰💕Hi! thanks for this game, it's just awesome! I sat up until night playing it) Genzou root is the coolest! I can't wait to continue!! Can I find out when the sequel is planned?
Thank you so much??? I'm really glad that you like the game -- and that you like Genzou!! That means so much for me to hear! 🥺💕 By sequel do you mean the final part (Arc 5.2)? I don't know yet when it'll be done. I'm working very hard on it!! But I can never plan ahead for when I'll actually get it finished as I'm just a single person and it's a lot of work lakdjfad
I LOVE THISSS <33333 They are all so cool and good and I wanna hug them and tell them all it'll be ok I think they need even more therapy and antidepressants than I do. BUT I LOVE THEM they're so queer and lovable and clinically insane it warms my gay little heart they're squishy :3
Anyways your story and writing makes me wanna take your game and throw it in a giant cauldron full of boiling water and serve it to it's loved ones. (In a good way!!!)
My heartt cries for these people they are going through it and I relate, sidenote one of the only gory games that have actually made my stomach twist and turn I'm usually good with gore but this one got me. damn
ANYWAYS sorry for my deranged ramblings I havea tendency to become obsessed with pieces of media and I think I'm obsessed with this universe-
(oh and also I already sent this question on tumblr but I'll ask here too: do you have a patreon or other way to send you money?? I want to throw money at you. Anyways thanks :33)
THANK YOU VERY MUCH??? I'm so happy you like the chars so much ahhhhh laksjdflak they bring me such joy on a
dailyhourlyminutelysecondly basis LOL PLEASE DON'T THROW IT IN A CAULDRON?????Thank you so much for playing and for this lovely comment hearing that people like the game and char literally brings me the ultimate joy in the entire world hahaha. They really are going through it?? These poor beans when will they ever catch a break (apparently even I don't know).
SORRY I DON'T HAVE A PATREON NO, GUHHHH. But honestly just the fact that you would go out of your way and take the time to write up such a nice comment and make me want to cry a wee bit is already more than I could ask for THANK YOOOOOOOU. Every time someone tells me they like the game or can relate to the chars or something of the sort a Flower of Bliss blooms forth from the recesses of my decaying heart LKDJFALSDKFA
I hope that you'll enjoy the final part once I (finally) get it finished!! Thanks so much for all the support! 🥰💕
THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY LOVE YOU (un-parasocially of course) PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME WITH THE FINAL PART DON'T RUSH YOURSELF <3333333
OMG i love this game <3333
Ahhhhh thank you???? I'm really glad you like it!! Thanks so much for playing!! 🥰💕
this game looks interesting! not sure if i can play it on my own bc the content warnings make me a bit squeamish to go through, but i'll gladly make fanart whenever i get the chance to :]
lkadjfalskdf there is indeed A Lot in here that might be hard for the squeamish, so please be kind to yourself and don't push yourself into anything you don't think you can handle 🥺💦 If you do end up playing I hope you'll enjoy it tho!! 💕
Hi Carrot :>
First and foremost I would like to thank you for making an incredible game!! I can’t imagine the dedication it takes to work on a project like this for such a long time and I'm blown away by the amount of effort and passion you’ve so obviously poured into it.
I found Our Wonderland only a month ago and it has absolutely ruined me in the best possible way. I adore how you write your characters and find all of them endlessly charming. I’ve gotten two of my friends into the game as well and we’ve been talking about it nonstop. Being able to try coming up with theories and character analysis together has been something that’s brought me so much joy. I feel at a loss for what to say because I can absolutely talk about this game for hours and hours as there's just so so much to delve into. I’ll try to spare you from too much rambling.
(Spoilers)
If that poor wonderland tree has any sort of consciousness (like it’s maybe implied to with its preference for wanting to only grant the more wholesome wishes of children?) I feel so bad that it has to watch all of the events of the game go down. I really do wonder how much of our main cast's actions are because of the corruption of wonderland versus their own twisted morals and desires, regardless, I’m sure they definitely all need therapy. I have so many questions about the mysterious ways in which wonderland seems to work.
The tree seems to have kept them from straying too far in their lives from their hometown? I can’t help but wonder if the reason Orlam’s suicide attempts failed is somehow connected as well. It’s interesting how wonderland or possibly something else seems to have influence even outside of the bounds of its domain with the doll, the time loop, and granting of Iggy’s wish in act one. I think my running theory is that possibly a wish from Saydie could be causing some of the story's events? I am decidedly fascinated with your worldbuilding and I can’t wait to see how things get wrapped up.
The relationships between the main cast really do feel like the heart of the game and it's so rewarding to see how interactions between them play out and how the butterfly effect can shape things inside of each arc. Your execution for revealing character information has incredible timing and I love how every time I found myself reevaluating my perception of each character at every reveal. The dialogue and humor have such a natural feel to them and I had an incredible time reading all the different dialogue strings. I love to see flawed characters portrayed so realistically.
Iggy and Genzou are so very cute together and the end of arc 2 was incredibly heartbreaking, UNFORTUNATELY and to the IMMENSE dismay of my friends, Orlam is my favorite and I adore him. Apparently I’m willing to overlook the whole cannibalism thing, hey, at least he knows how to cook? I think I just love to see theatrical and very over the top characters, his scenes and dialogue are always so entertaining and I can’t wait to see him in the next release. It feels like Iggy and Orlam really shouldn’t work so well together but somehow they do, it’s actually touching to see how domestic their couple of months were spent and I’m glad Iggy got a small break for as long as it lasted, even if Genzou didn’t ahaha (Apparently being stuck in a time loop reliving horrific deaths at the hands of monsters and your closest friends doesn’t leave much time to relax). Orlam seems so smug in Arc 4, he’s so silly, I wish I could know what he was thinking, he seems so content to sit back and eat popcorn watching the drama unfold when he's not too busy causing problems on purpose, I’m sooo ready to see how he acts now that everyone remembers everything.
So many parallels and foils and narrative goodness in this game, everything. All of it. Incredible. I wish I could read an essay just breaking it all down. If you ever decided to talk about some of the thought process behind the game after you finished I would absolutely love to hear it.
Recently I’m playing through the game again, sharing it with my girlfriend over discord sessions while I’m away for college (She loves Genzou very much and makes fun of me for liking Orlam [Which, fair.]) I’m still having just as much fun as the first time and now I get to enjoy the great entertainment of butchering Orlam’s voice again and again (He is determined to make me destroy my throat all cause I have to make him sound as pretentious as possible). Just recently we finished up arc 3 and I did some pretty non serious fanart in ms paint in commemoration which I thought I’d share.
Forgive me for how incredibly chaotic they are, They are filled with very ridiculous jokes to entertain my friends.
On the edge of my seat for Arc 5 part 2, and beyond that I can’t wait to see what you do next after finishing the main game. Whatever it will be, I am excited to find out. I hope your work on the final part goes smoothly, be sure to give yourself breaks and take care of yourself!
AHHHHHHHHH THIS COMMENT HAS ME IN TEARS 😭💦💕
Oh my gosh,,, LAKDSJLFAKD I don't even know where to start LOL First off thank you??? Not only for playing but for taking the time to write up all these thoughts and all these theories and all this general wonderfulness that is making me all sorts of giddy and I can't stop grinning???? I love so so so so so much hearing people's rambly thoughts and interpretations and general reactions to the story and chars GUHHHHHH SO THIS IS LIKE SERIOUSLY MAKING ME SO HAPPY READING IT and I'm just really happy that you (and your friends lkadjfas) enjoy the game and chars so much ahhHHHHHHHH. TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT AMONGST YOURSELVES AHHHHHHHHHH my heart is squishing and beating very fast LMAO🥺💕
I CAN'T RESPOND DIRECTLY TO SOME OF YOUR THEORIES since many of them will come into direct play in 5.2 when I try to finally wrap this entire monster of a game up for good LOL But I'm really loving reading them and seeing people's ideas behind where the story could be heading 🤭
LMAO I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SIMILAR TO YOU HELP ALKDJFALKDSF Something about Orlam really grabs people I guess HAHAHAHA he is indeed Very Fun and I love him Dearly. I'm always really happy that he can get fans as tbh when I was first starting out I wasn't sure how people would respond to him at all or if anybody at all would like him so it makes my heart feel happy hearing things like this. I ALSO LIKE THE ORLY CASTLE LIFE MONTAGE 😭💕 Despite, erm, the background behind it (LOL) it is somehow very sweet to me, and I really like how despite being so different from one another they still somehow complement each other and find a weird way to work aldkfjas It's just a very fun dynamic.
"If you ever decided to talk about some of the thought process behind the game after you finished I would absolutely love to hear it. " --> WE'LL SEE MAYBE ALKDFFD tbh s-some of it came about through a weird evolution of the game's story while I was actively working on it (since these chars seem to have minds of their own sometimes) and some of it was literally sheer surprises to me while writing (e.g., OMG THIS IS JUST LIKE THIS OMG I SHOULD REALLY PLAY INTO THIS) ldakjflads serendipitous happy surprises or something. I'm not sure how it keeps working out to my advantage all the time tbh unless perhaps some part of me subconsciously was working towards it the whole time. WHO CAN SAY.
"(He is determined to make me destroy my throat all cause I have to make him sound as pretentious as possible)." --> This is absolutely perfect because he should always sound as pretentious as possible ALKDJFALSDK)
OMG
OMGOMGOMGGMMGJDKJFKDSJFASDKA
THESE SKETCHES
THESE SKETCHES ARE KILLING ME
I SHALL WEEP 😭💦💕
HELP HOW DO YOU DRAW THEM SO CUTELY AND WITH SO MUCH OF THEIR PERSONALITIES AND IT'S JUST SUCH A VERY CUTE STYLE AHHHHhhhhhHHHHHHH I love these dearly omgggg,,,,,,,,🥺
THE ORLY KISS AND THE LIVE REACTIONS I CANNOT BREATHE
Losing it just a little GODDDDDD
And the Garfield mug,,,,
My heart,,,,
These are absolutely too precious omg,,,, thank you for sharing them with me ahhhhhhhhhh I love them too much
Getting very choked up LDKJFALDSKF
"On the edge of my seat for Arc 5 part 2" --> I HOPE I WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE UP TO EVERYTHING 😭💦I'm both excited yet nervous working on these final bits. I really hope I won't let anyone down LOL And I hope you'll enjoy everything when it's done!! Atm I have no idea what I'll do afterwards except perhaps some sort of remaster so I can redo some of the old art that makes me cringe now LOL and maybe add some new CGs or other random stuff to make it better. Who knows. Beyond that I have no idea and don't really have any plans yet. WE SHALL SEE.
Thank you again so so much for this comment!! This really made my day! That you took so much time to write all of this up AND THE LOVELY SKETCHES AHHHHHHHHHH I shall truly weep. This is very dear to me and I can't stop smiling now!!! Thank you so much!! 🥰💕
Thanks so much for the reply!! AAAAAJDSKFJASL!!!
I waited a little while writing back because I wanted to have something more to say then just “!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
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I hope development is going well and that you’re having fun in the process!!!! This is the wrong place to say this but I love keeping watch of all the tumblr asks. It brings me immense joy (They are all so funny and I love seeing the characters being themselves and your art is as charming and expressive as ever).
I’m so glad you liked the sketches, your characters give me so much brain rot, they bounce around my mind like a dvd screensaver (affectionate). I loved the bit of insight into your writing process!!! Your writing style is incredible and it immediately hooked me on the story. I feel like inside of Our Wonderland there is a whole thesis paper there for the writing that someone who is smarter and better at media analysis then me should write so I can enjoy it lolol.
I started a tiny thing of Orlam in OFW….
Whatever you come up with will be great!!! I am already frothing at the mouth over all the teasers you show. I cannot wait :DD!!!
HELP SOMEHOW I MISSED THAT YOU REPLIED AGAIN AHHHHH LDKAJDSLKFAD
I LOVE THAT SKETCH SO MUCH??? HELP!!!! LOOK AT HIMMMMMMM guhhh.... OFW!Orlam is so near and dear to my heart, I really love him 🥺💦 Especially when he gets so into his role LOLOL this is too cute!! I love his little blush and blinks!! 😭
A WHOLE THESIS PAPER HELP???? UNSURE ABOUT THAT LKJFLKDAJFAD though I swear so often when people like, point out things to me like, omg was this on purpose, etc. I'm like....................... no LKDJFADS like connections or references and such. There are certainly some connections I did do on purpose and others that I had literally no idea I was doing so I just consider them happy accidents LOL
And thank you very much!! I'm glad you're enjoying the Tumblr asks!! I love answering questions and doing little doodles. It's such a fun way for me to do just random funny and/or cute little things in addition to normal dev stuff and I enjoy it a lot. I will keep doing my best!! Thank you so much for your support and love of the chars, ahhhhhh
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE CUTE SKETCH LDKJFALKDSFA 😭💦💕
this game is fun and i cant wait for part2 of arc 5 and get all the endings in part 2 as there is no WAY in HELL there is part 3 right.....right? (jokes aside don't rush out he game and do as many parts as you need if it means a project, you can be happy with)
edit: me now realizing that i unintentionally referenced a key theme to the game...welp guess im just a stuck in the game even after finishing it
OMG YOU ALREADY FINISHED IT
THANK YOU???? I'm really touched that after playing OFW you would come play the original, and not only that you already finished it LMAO I'M GLAD YOU LIKE IT AHHHHHHHH 😭💦💕That really means so much??
I'm working hard on 5.2!!! It's chugging along behind the scenes. Still have no idea when it'll be finished as it looks like it'll probably be longer than 5.1, but at least the going is strong 🤭
Thank you so much for playing and taking the time to write up your thoughts and let me know!! I shall weep perhaps 🥺💕
keep up he great work my first visual novel i played was the OurLife games and this game was just as great and if not even better. Also if there is one thing I ALWAYS regret with ANY video game i play is the fact that I wish I could play them longer (as for some reason or another I tend to finish ANY game at a surprisingly fast rate, not fast enough to try speed running but faster then the average playthrough) but yeah 5/5 game would recommend for those who don't get triggered by the trigger warnings. I REALLY hope you do great things after this game but here are some genuine questions for you if you feel like answering:
1.if you end up wanting to do DLC for this game what would you focus on exactly, in other words would there be any lose ends that a dlc would wrap up or just small side stories of other new characters, or something else entirely??
2.I've noticed there are facts for all the characters (like blood type and stuff) except Hunar (and because I'm kind of curious) what are the facts for him?
3.what was the main inspiration for the game (besides allice in wonderland)
that's all the questions I have for you if you feel like answering them and also fun little fact my Birthday just so happens to be the day before bucks so that's a neat little thing anyways have fun continuing the game and have a good summer and all that jazz.
Edi: also to clarify i did enjoy Our Fantastic wonderland since its easier to just put all my thoughts in one message, i might go back to that and do all the endings there since I jumped straight into this game after i finished it but that's a future me decision
HELP THAT IS SUCH HIGH PRAISE????? I don't know what to say ldkajflsdk 😭💦💕 I think I'm kinda middle-ground when it comes to speed of playing games. If I'm playing some kind of adventure or RPG game I play rather slowly as I always like to do all the random extra side stuff LOL But if I'm playing a VN, since I read rather quickly, I do tend to get through them rather quick 🤔 It perhaps depends on all the other stuff going on in the game tho, like if there's voice acting, etc.
Re: your questions:
1) Tbh I'm not super sure?? There won't be any lose ends after the game is over that I can think of. So I don't think I'd do anything like that. But I may do other random shorter side games about the chars just for fun, perhaps as part of some VN game jams, similar to what I did for OFW with Spooktober. I'm also thinking about at some point doing a sort of revamp/remaster of the game where I go back and redraw some of the old art from early arcs that I don't like anymore, maybe draw some new CGs, and also iron out some of the inconsistencies in the char design since some of them have changed slightly (especially Orlam's and Gidget's hair have evolved some since I first started drawing art for this game two years ago).
2) OH I HAVE ALL THIS INFO FOR HUNAR I just didn't have anywhere to put it LKDAJFLKDS His full name is Hunar Anand, he's 30, birthday is December 1st, blood type is A. Currently his job is stay-at-home dad, but he works on writing in his free time (he has a master's in english and has won multiple short story contests).
3. I don't know if I would say there's one MAIN inspiration. There's a lot of small inspirations tho?? Ofc Alice in Wonderland being one of them, but also American McGee's Alice gave me a lot of inspo, especially in the beginning. And Alice Human Sacrifice and other older vocaloid songs like Fear Garden. Also older RPG horror games like Witch's House and Mad Father. Oh, Stephen King's It gave me a lot of inspo. Also VNs like Umineko and Higurashi. There are also even like random homages to other things I enjoy, for instance some of the creatures are inspired by stuff from some of my fav games like FFXII and Mario Party ALKDJFAD There's been a lot of inspiration over the years from a lot of stuff!!
AWWWW THAT'S REALLY SWEET ABOUT YOUR BIRTHDAY!!! That feels very special ldsakfjasd 🤭
Thank you so much for taking the time to play and for your fun questions!! I always love answering questions about the game and chars!! And I'm really happy you enjoyed it (and OFW, too!!) 💕
Thanks for the answers (although if I had one more question it would be what Hunar's middle name is just because I wouldn't be surprised if it was goofy) and thank you for helping me fuel my visual novel addiction I've developed 1-2 weeks ago (also if you ever make a discord sever for Q&As and other stuff I just want to say I would join ASAP) I also want to thank you for how interactive you are with your fanbase outside of simple guidance for when glitches or bugs happens as I don't know a lot of people who do that and I love it and feel like other developers should do it more when they have time to do so (though if developers choose to use their free time with other stuff its perfectly fine to, they shouldn't feel forced to talk with their fanbase) that's all from me for now and good luck with your wonderful story
EDIT: made this because I thought it would be fun to try and connect each of them to one of the 7 souls (I know Orlam's is a bit scuffed hell maybe all of them are scuffed but the way I see it is that what he does is HIS perception of what justice is in this world and for Gidget..well if you know you know)
Sorry for the delay in my response lakdjfasd I've been a little bit all over the place lately 🤣💦
Hmmmmm as for Hunar's middle name I hadn't thought of that yet. After doing some research, I think I might have it be "Karamchand" but I am not 100% on this. Tbh most of their middle names I came up with quite arbitrarily/spur of the moment LOL
I really love interacting with people and answering questions and such!! It makes me so happy and feel so honored that people would want to ask questions or leave comments, so I have a lot of fun and it makes me really happy responding back!!
Omg this is so cute??? I haven't played Undertale in a long time so I had forgotten what all of these represented and had to go look them up LOL 🤣💦 But these all seem really fitting ahhhhh 🥺💕
I DID NOT PLAN ON SPENDING A THOUSAND HOURS JUST BEING ADDICTED TO THIS GAME- WTF??? THIS DISTURBING, HORRIFYING, BEAUTIFUL, PIECE OF ART??? TOP 5 FAVORITE VNs??? IN LOVE??? FINALLY AN ACE MAIN CHARACTER??? THERAPY NEEDED??? FOR THE CHARACTERS AND MYSELF??? WOKE UP AT 3AM JUST TO FINISH PT 1 OF ARC 5???
And the soundtrack is amazing (especially in arc 5) omg-
I AM GLAD YOU LIKE. The soundtrack gives me life honest to god lakdjfalkdsf
A THOUSAND HOURS HELP DKJAFLDKJFASLDKF
GOD???? YOU SHALL MAKE ME WEEP SALTY TEARS FROM MY EYEBALLS. I'm really happy you enjoyed it so much??? THOUGH PLEASE SLEEP GODDDDDD. THERAPY NEEDED FOR THE CHARACTERS AND YOURSELF I'M WHEEZING.
Thank you so so much for playing ahhHHHHHH and I'm tickled pink that you like it so much 😭💕 This just gave me a really big half-snort half-snotty wail of joy reading this, what a treat LKDJALSKDJFAD Thank you also for taking the time to leave your caps-lock comment it really made my day LOLOLOL I shall treasure it 🤭💕
I am here for Orlam's happiness. And the others, too, I guess.
Just kidding, I love them all, but- I have a thing for awkward and psychotic I guess.
I CAN FIX HIM
AND THE OTHERS, TOO, YOU GUESS LAKDJFALDSKJFA
Wheezing a little bit LOL
I AM VERY GLAD, HOWEVER. Thank you for loving Orlam, he does indeed need all the love he can get. 🤭💕
And thank you so much for playing??? I'm glad that you like the game and chars!! It means a lot ahhhhhh. And thanks for this comment that made me laugh a lot!! 🤣💕
how do u guys feel abt fan games.... asking for a friend
UMMMMMM???
I've never been asked this before 💦
UhhhhhHHHHH I'M NOT SURE?? I've never really thought about it before. It does make feel slightly weird thinking about it simply because I wouldn't know what would be done with the chars. I guess I would be fine if they were respected and the game didn't do anything weird?? 💦💦 But I'm not super sure. I would probably need to know more about the game before I'd be able to say either way??? For instance, something sweet and cute or something that explores more about the chars or their relationships or thoughts or even like untold moments between the moments of the game I would probably be fine with. However, something like a parody game or dating sim-esque game might make me feel a bit weird.
WHEN I TELL YOU I FREAKED OUT WHEN U RESPONDED
im sorry your games just make me really really happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! deadass been hyperfixated on it for a few days straight , i even got my girl friend into it as well
ANYWAYS!!
I was thinking of a game about an au where it was cinderella based instead of wonderland based? it would be silly instead of the more serious tone of how our wonderland is.... iggy as cinderella for example!!!!!!!!! i also had another idea about an orlam x iggy thing and theyre just being cute and stupid
Sorry if the original question came off as weird, i just love them alotttt
Omg Omg Im so excited for the rest!!! <3333
AHHHHHHHHHHH I AM GLAD????? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PLAYING!!! I'm working hard!! 😤👌💕
"Finally, some fucking good VN!"
-Me (and prob Gordon Ramsay)
HELP DLKJFALDSKFJALDSKFAJD
This comment just made tears spew forth from my eyeballs LMAO 🤣💦
I am very glad you enjoyed it!!!! Thanks so much for playing?? And for leaving this very entertaining comment! 🤭💕
Hi! I love this game I played for a bit and its AMAZING
but I have truble starting the game, like it just doesnt open or do anything at all I have no idea why please help
Oh no??? Do you mean that you played it once, and then tried to play it again and it suddenly doesn't work? That seems very odd... 🤔 It's hard for me to know exactly what's going on. What OS are you using? You could perhaps try to change to the 32-bit version if you can't play the 64-bit version? (or the other way around) Are you able to play other games made with Ren'Py? If you can't play any Ren'Py games, it could potentially be something with your driver... but I'm unsure. I was trying to find some solutions online but its hard to know more since I don't know exactly your situation. There are other hits in Google for instance with ppl talking about not being able to start up Ren'Py games, for instance, and some suggestions have included updating graphics drivers or changing the renderer used to display the Ren'Py games.
I just downloaded this... IT is complete or near completion or not close at all?
Hey!! Thanks so much for downloading the game!! 🥰 The game is close to completion! There are five arcs total (basically chapters), and currently 4.5 arcs are complete (I recently released the first half of the final arc). So there is just one half-arc left before the game is completely finished!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG I DIDNT KNOW PART 5 WAS OUT CAUSE MY DUMB ASS FORGOT TO FOLLOW YOU!!!! IM SO EXCITED IM GONNA PLAY RN!!!!!
kdjfladkfjDKLAFSJDLFKASJD OMG It makes me want to cry that you are so excited ahhhHHHHHH I HOPE YOU'LL ENJOY IT!!! 🥺💕
I DID ENJOY IT!!!!
Whenever Gidget changed I was like "Oh, it's like they got less annoying somehow! And... handsomer??"
i also loved the subtle pronoun change gidget had.. and as always...
I LOVE GENZOU!!!
but I HOPE YOU ARE ABLE TO FINISH PART TWO WITH NO TROUBLES!!!
Good luck, and I'll be waiting!!! And save your tears for whenever I write the most longest essay of my life of how good this game is whenever it's finished!!!
P.S i let out the loudest squeal when i saw that part 5 was out. i luv this game.
this is definitely one of the most interesting and unique VNs i ever played like wow. the contrast between the cartoonish artstyle and the gruesome scenes make the horror element of the game REALLY effective - i read all the warnings before playing and witnessing all these scenes was still a terryfying experience. as for the characters, they're very well written and relatable, my favorite was probably orlam (i have a weakness for weird and off-putting guys i guess lmao). with that being said, i really wish there were more opportunities to get to know the characters besides genzou - i feel like just one chapter dedicated to them wasn't enough. i'm not sure if the other characters are romanceable - or if there are endings with romance at all - but i do hope we will at least get to know them better. i also hope gidget will acknowledge what they did to iggy and apologize because GOD that was messed up. ok this is getting way too long thank you for making this game, this was an amazing experience, keep up the good work <3
I'm so sorry for the delayed response—I normally like to get back much quicker than this, but I was having A Time. Thank you so much though for playing and for leaving your thoughts! It means so much! And I'm really glad that you enjoyed it??? 🥺💕
Oh gosh, I'm really happy you like the art style!! It always makes me wanna cry hearing that as I've had a lot of struggle trying to become more confident about it LOL And I'm really glad you like Orlam, he is indeed a weird little guy,,, 🤭 I'm pretty excited to dive into his final "act" so to speak as part of Arc 5 Part 2. There will definitely be more with all the chars! I think a big part of it comes down to how I set up the structure, which does indeed make for less time with some of the other chars outside of their main arcs,,, but I hope through more of Arc 5 and leading up to the end, people will get to know them even more. Particularly based on who you end up choosing for Iggy's final choice (there will be more opportunities in Part 2 for your choices to reveal more scenes with each individual char as it gets closer to the end,,, and then the final choice ofc ldkajfsld). You will have a chance to choose between Genzou, Orlam, and Gidget (or no one) for the final choice, similar to the OFW side game.
Yeaaaaahhhhh,,, at least one of the bigger talks I have planned for Iggy and Gidget is still to come in part 2—I wasn't able to get to it before I reached the halfway point at the end of part 1,, it's another of those scenes that I really hope I'll be able to get right lakdjfas 💦
ANYWAY THANK YOU AGAINNNNNN AHHHHHHH. I'm really so happy that you're enjoying things so far and that you took the time to write this up!! It means so much!! 🥰
Hi! I played the first part of arc 5 and wanted to give you feedback! So, for anyone else reading this, I guess there will be spoilers, so beware (?????)
So, I've been through a lot of emotions but the more it went on, the more... optimistic I got about the destiny of the characters. I don't know what to pinpoint to convey this, but in short: despite Wonderland being in full chaos this time, there was something particularly... wholesome? Of course, the end of the part is comfortingly positive, but I do think this part was so far the funniest one of Wonderland! I burst out laughing many times (and yet, you didn't fail to break my heart... but somehow, even Cecil's death... I knew it was to "conclude" Gidget's arc).
First thing first, let's talk about the beginning of the part: it really was interesting to see Genzou and Iggy be absolutely horrified and traumatised by what they had been through. A lot of media expose characters to horrendous things and often fail to portray the traumatism it might cause so I'm glad it was there. And seeing Iggy and Genzou rise from their pain to confront Wonderland one last time was a nice touch of optimism and, let's say it, heroism!
Also, Iggy's development is interesting: I still have in my mind those flashbacks during Arc 1's death, where Iggy erases himself from existence and I couldn't wait to see the moment he would take accountability (at least, to Gidget and Orlam, although Genzou has to be the one doing the most work here; I do agree the Genzou situation was an accident, and that, although he didn't try in my opinion to consider fully Bucks' struggle, he really cannot be held guilty of anything regarding her marriage with Hunar). I also hope other characters take accountability (for instance, although Iggy wronged them first, I do think Gidget owes A MASSIVE LOAD of apologies to Iggy, at the very least!!!).
Now, regarding Gidget... OH MY GOD, this was sooooo good???? I loved it so much???? The use of spiders as a "perfect" mother figure (only for its ability to hatch a lot of eggs) was an unexpected but really clever metaphor?? What a clever way to show a horrific vision of ultra-feminity, especially when imposed on trans men?? And even so, having their leg penetrating Iggy while trying to maintain "feminity"?? The contrast???? The intelligence??????????????? I saw the amazing spider fanart you received before playing this part (and read the arachnophobia trigger warning) and was expected Gidget to indeed grow spider legs but HOLY GOLLY, the bar was high after arc 4, which I really loved, and you exceeded my expectations! I can't emphasise enough how much I LOVED it! Fortunately I don't suffer from arachnophobia, but GEEZ, that was AMAZING!!!! That really was the peak of psychological horror for me, a perfect symbiosis between horrifying imagery and the depiction of a tormented mind!! Truly, a lesson in the genre! Really, words are not enough to express how much I LOVED the Gidget's part of this... first part, this was AMAZING!
It was also interesting seeing Gidget trying at first to reach feminity in another way they did before: while they at first attended to reach feminity by being desirable in the eyes of a man (i.e. poor little asexual not even heteroromantic Iggy), I think, this time, it was more about trying to gain "independence" from Iggy's gaze by... meeting social norms (cf. the TV shows Iggy watched in the bedroom)?
So, I guess this is getting kinda long lmao so I'll stop ranting, but long story short: OH MY, that was good, and that's an understatement! Thank you for this amazing gameplay experience!!
Oh gosh, having trouble even finding a place to start with this. THIS ALMOST MADE ME CRY 😭💦💕 Thank you so so much???? This was a delight to read, especially since as always, you point out things that I didn't even necessarily see or be actively thinking about myself when working on this LMAO Honestly one of my favorite things ever is hearing from people how they interpreted things or how they reacted to things, since I know it will be different for everyone and I just am so curious of the Resulting Feels LDKAJDF so this just made me all kinds of ecstatic to read and I'm so so grateful 🥺💕
"but I do think this part was so far the funniest one of Wonderland!" --> LMAO I DO THINK THIS PART ENDED UP HAVING THE MOST SILLY MOMENTS. Unsure why. Perhaps after having lived with these chars and their troubles/tragedies for so long, I just desperately need them to be a bit silly even in the midst of the horrors going on. Also since this is the last arc, things DO need to start actually, you know, stop being completely and utterly hopeless the way the previous arcs have been HAHAHA. I am glad you enjoyed the lighter moments though. I had hoped they wouldn't be too much for people or too weird, especially given my strange sense of humor at times 💦
"it really was interesting to see Genzou and Iggy be absolutely horrified and traumatised by what they had been through." --> Oh, I'm glad! I feel like I particularly wanted to show how even Genzou was quite Affected as he's the one who's normally so tough to break (whereas Iggy,,, breaks often LMAO) especially as Genzou went through the most I feel?? Like he died the most??? And in some of the most horrible ways????? Th-the poor guy,,, 😭💔 (I say despite being the one who made all that happen to him,,, 💦)
"I also hope other characters take accountability" --> I-indeed, I feel like that will kinda end up being a running theme of the arc in general—finally facing up to everything that's happened both in the immediate past and also in the further past since it's the only way all of their iGnOrEd iSsUeS can finally come to light and they can begin working through them,,,
"the bar was high after arc 4, which I really loved, and you exceeded my expectations! I can't emphasise enough how much I LOVED it!" --> HELP THERE ARE TEARS IN MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSS how am I supposed to respond to thissssssssssss HHHHHHH 😭💦 I'm really really glad you enjoyed Gidget's part. I feel like a ton of my own emotions came out when writing and working on it (admittedly from both Gidget's side and Iggy's side since at times it feels a bit like two parts of me battling against each other LMAOOOOO) But I also had no idea how people would react to it or if it would be too much or if people just wouldn't be able to like understand or resonate with it at all, so that honestly means so so much and I'm really overjoyed to hear you say that 💕
"(i.e. poor little asexual not even heteroromantic Iggy)" --> SOBBING
"it was more about trying to gain "independence" from Iggy's gaze by... meeting social norms" --> Indeed,,, also like the fact that social norms for women are such high standards and with this expectation of perfection. So like, reaching what they think is perfection all by themself to prove themself to people like Iggy and their mother, etc. and show that they can be perfect and loved in the eyes of the world (or at the very least, the people around them).
"OH MY, that was good, and that's an understatement! Thank you for this amazing gameplay experience!!" --> GUH GUH GUH THANK *YOU* FOR THIS TEAR-WORTHY WRITE-UP THAT'S KILLING ME SOFTLY ALDKFJASDLFK
Honestly thank you, this was so wonderful to read. And I'm tickled to death how much you ended up enjoying it—it really means so much. I AM FILLED WITH DETERMINATION. THANK YOOOOOOOOU 😭💕
I don't feel like posting a long review because unfortunately, I'm not articulate enough in English but... You, people, need to play this game, if you are reading the comments to know whether it's worth your time or money, then the answer to both is YES. The story and character development are great, and the LGBT issues are so well written and realistic, seriously just give this game a try is a 10/10.
It might be a short or medium-long experience, but the story and characters will most definitely cause an impact on you and they'll stick for a long time in your mind and heart.
Carrot Patch Games, you guys are all seriously amazing.
Oh my gosh????? This is absolutely the sweetest comment ever HELP 😭💕 Thank you so much??? I'm so glad that you liked the game so much!! Thank you for playing and for taking the time to write up this comment—I'm getting all weepy ladkjafd
"you guys are all seriously amazing" --> LMAO IT'S JUST ME. I AM JUST ONE PERSON 🤣💦
Seriously thank you though. I'm so lucky to have your support! 💕
"LMAO IT'S JUST ME. I AM JUST ONE PERSON"
Wtf? That's seriously amazing, you are a very talented person! And yes, the game is amazing, thank you for the experience.
Th-thank you 🥺💕I AM JUST TRYING MY BEST 💦
( spoilers for arc 5 part 1 ahead)
ARC 5 PART 1 WAS SO COOL!!! Like aside from the usual emotional damage this was so good and the change up from the usual loops is so cool. And spider Gidget was really cool for some reason?? I just really liked the design and I love everything spider themed lol. Honestly I dont know what else to say, but I just wanted to express my gratitude for your amazing work on this game😭 Im super stoked for part 2 !!!!
AHHHH THANK YOOOOOOU!! I'm really glad you enjoyed the newest part!! 🥺🙏💕 There's so much different in this arc (and also so much that hits me on a personal level) that I was a bit worried how it would stand up and how people would react to it, so that makes me incredibly happy to hear! I'm especially glad you liked Gidget's part!! 😭💦
Thank you so so much for playing and for your lovely words!! It means so much and really brightened my day! I'll keep working hard on part 2!😤💕
Hello, I come back here after arc 5 part 1? Yes, the newest one. Perhaps little tiny non-specific spoilers ahead.
Holy fucking shit. Congratulations. After 4 arcs of torture, murder, extreme violence and cannibalism, you finally managed to simply break me to the point where I was convinced I'll have to part ways with my dinner (I did not). Yes, it was the egg scene. Yes, I read the warning on that one but I was not prepared regardless. No, it's not your fault, you marked it well, I just vastly overestimated myself. Holy Jane Austen what the fuck. I'm so ready for more.
Also, I knew Cecil's got a little more in him, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know the feeling was right.
PS: I literally have a pic of myself in a similar pose and clothing as Gidget in that one post-haircut CG. Each and every day brings me closer to a Gidget cosplay. It will come one day.
OH MY GOD 💦💦💦💦 I-I AM VERY SORRY LADKJFALDKFAJ That part was indeed very intense 🥺💦 "I'm so ready for more." ---> LMAO THO G-G-GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT MUCH? 🤣
HAHAHAA omg,,, Gidget cosplay,,, 🤭 That would be so wonderful dkalsdfa one day~
I AM GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT?? I HOPE? LOL D-DESPITE THE EGG PERHAPS. Thank you so much for playing!!! It's always so lovely hearing from you 💕
Don't worry, I'm impressed more than anything
gidget and orlam 🔛🔝🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣❗❗❗❗❗❗❗❗💯💯💯💯
HELP I'M SOBBING WHAT DOES THIS MEAN there are tears in my eyeballs LOLOLOL 🤣💦
Just got the new update. Gonna make a video now. XD
OHHHHHH OMG ALREADY??? fhfhfhf I'M VERY EXCITED!! Can't wait to watch you play through it (and hope you'll enjoy it!!!) 🤭💕
Okay so that was amazing??? I would say that the first part of Arc 5 rendered me speechless, but I actually have a LOT to say, so...[SPOILERS FOR OUR WONDERLAND ARCS 1-5 BELOW]
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To begin with, I absolutely loved that beginning sequence. The moment of everything just hitting Iggy like a trainwreck of emotions and trauma was well-needed, considering how long he and the rest of the friend group have gone through the loop (which I'm assuming has been more than 5 times). It also has a similar effect to the players, with the start of the arcs having a few differences but nothing too out of the ordinary considering what happens the arc before. But then Arc 5 just hits you with the whiplash that Iggy remembers EVERYTHING rather than just having a strong sense of deja vu and he's taking time to process it, barely even functioning because of how hard it hit him.
Following immediately after that, the tree story: it was a nice way to connect the whole loop thing back to where it all began, which was the big tree that held the wonderland that they were all introduced to as children. Despite the tree closing itself off from the friend group because they inevitably grew up, Saydie was the key to opening it back up again. And it seems like she has a pretty significant role in the story, the end of Arc 1 implying that Bucks killed her in order to open up the tree again and her quite literally being on the menu screen held by Iggy (I'm assuming).
Going to Genzou right after Iggy's whirlpool of emotions, I couldn't even choose the "mean" options directed towards him because of that. Well, that and mostly because of my Genzou bias. But even if I absolutely hated him because of what he has done to Orlam (which is perfectly reasonable, he HAS said and done some fucked up stuff to him), I think it would just be adding more negativity to the landfill of the emotional trauma both Iggy and Genzou were going through. And plus, Iggy KNOWS what Genzou feels like so I personally think it wouldn't make sense for him to be callous and unsympathetic towards Genzou. It's also interesting to note the awkwardness between them compared to the beginning of previous arcs, most probably because they both remember the emotions that Iggy went through when it came to Genzou: it started with simply enjoying his presence, then loving him, then HATING him, and then seeing him as a place of comfort when Gidget, who he focuses on while Genzou is left on the sidelines, won't give him that comfort. Not to mention the crush that Genzou had on Iggy for forever. Genzou pushing Iggy away when he was lying down in the bathtub seemed to be because of how it pained him to be in his presence: his opinion of Iggy would certainly be very jumbled by this point and he also seems terrified to have Iggy be even the slightest bit angry at him because of what happened in Arc 3's boat scene. It's nice to see them quickly become comfortable with each other again though.
Focusing on the doll, I wonder what's the role it'll have in the story. It's an object that always reappears in Iggy's dreams specifically, and it also appears a few times in the forest leading to Bucks's cabin. The fact that it says "Please kill me, Iggy" is strange because if this is truly supposed to represent Saydie (going by how Iggy says it looks like a certain someone before he's interrupted by Hunar knocking), wouldn't she already be killed by Bucks? She might not be as evidenced by the crying coming from Bucks's phone (and then the hell screaming ig), but I dunno what it's really supposed to mean. Maybe Bucks killing her in order to access the tree perpetuates the cycle, and Iggy needs to take Saydie himself and kill her so the friend group can confront the situation head on without the whole wonderland stuff. (Also it's kinda sad that Bucks and Saydie have arguably the most important roles in the story while Hunar is just left in the dust... Iggy also emphasizes all FIVE of them which excludes Hunar. And also Saydie but like she's a child.) While I'll cover Gidget's section entirely in another paragraph, I'll briefly cover the doll motif that they have going on: they strive to have their appearance stay the same, like a doll. It's always the same, meaning it's PERFECT. Furthermore, they quite literally have dolls of Iggy everywhere that can easily be replaced: they no longer focus on the REAL Iggy, but substitutes that fulfill the ache in their heart that lacks his love and it further emphasizes how much worse their obsession is in Arc 5. They also mention this to Iggy, telling him that he can be replaced... it shows the shift in their mindset, from wanting to fix him to just replacing him.
Regarding the beginning of Iggy and Genzou's entry into the fantasy world once more, it seems like everything's a mess: even more than it was before. It shows us a glimpse into how bad everything will be. Which seems to foreshadow that the deterioration of Gidget's and Orlam's mental state is AMPLIFIED in this loop.
Okay, back to Genzou again. Of course, comfort and security is taken into account when Iggy thinks about him; those are reoccurring themes in Arc 2. Genzou's always there to reassure Iggy and close to him for the purpose of protecting him from any of the dangers that they encounter. But Iggy wants to repay him for all he's done. I mean, Genzou literally took an axe to the head for him. Not only that, he feels extremely guilty because he thinks he ruined Genzou's life but of course he didn't. Which ties back to Arc 1, which primarily focuses on Iggy. He feels RESPONSIBLE for everything, and so HE has to FIX everything. Obviously he is not, and it's not his duty to save everyone from their problems. But he also feels like this is what he has to do so he can stay friends with everyone, in order to maintain that camaraderie that he cherishes so much. Iggy CAN provide assistance and guide people to the right path when needed, but he shouldn't take things into his own hands and try to repair everything. It's relieving to see Genzou reassure Iggy that it's not up to him because he hasn't ruined anyone's life. (I also noticed when Iggy pointed out that Genzou wrestled a giant tentacle for him, it's a callback to how Genzou pointed out that Iggy tried to defeat an armored rabbit with a rake for him, which I think is really cute.)
And then... Gidget. Very complex situation. The external manifestation of their desires have changed dramatically in this loop: no longer focusing on sex appeal & emphasizing their body, but rather focusing on maintaining a PERFECT image of themself. Everything is pristine and spotless. Gidget rejects everything that would make them imperfect, which are emotions, nourishment, and so forth. But despite claiming that they've moved on from Iggy because he was holding them back, there are blatant signs that their statement is false. The Iggy dolls, the mentions of having sex with them, still being that hyperfeminine woman that seemingly everyone around them WANTED them to be. It exemplifies how their desires from past arcs still remain the same, just increased to an even more severe degree. All of it introduces the issue of Iggy feeling the need to FIX them... to "find the real Gidget." Considering how Gidget tried to fix him in the previous 4 arcs, why would flipping the situation around be any different? It also lies with his ultimate responsibility in their circumstances: sure, he might have contributed a LITTLE to the problem, but the full blame doesn't lie with him. It was everyone who upheld those expectations for them, ESPECIALLY their mom. I think the apology to Gidget was very much needed, considering how he basically cut contact with everyone around him after a while and didn't bother to talk to anyone. I personally would be FURIOUS if I centered my whole life around conforming to the expectations of a person that I really cared about and after years of not talking to me ever, they suddenly reappear in my life and tell me that this isn't the real me. Well no shit!!! But this isn't meant to place the blame entirely on Iggy like I mentioned earlier: it would be helpful if Gidget ever communicated their discomfort when they started dressing hyperfemininely; it would also be helpful if no one ever tried to be the gender police when it came to them either. Essentially, it's everyone's fault and not just the fault of one person.
Transitioning (hehe) to the spider cave, it was definitely an experience to say the least. It makes me wonder why it was spiders specifically, though I can see a connection. Spiders are viewed as ugly, gross, and they're monsters in the eyes of most people. And yet, they also fulfilled one of the primary "desires" that Gidget had: to start a family. They embrace being spider-like, even with that stigma around spiders. It can be compared to them desiring to present more androgynously in spite of what others around them say... akin to what they really want, but not there yet. Cecil also constantly tells them that they don't seem happy as they are, and also CECIL WOOOOOOO!!!! Though I don't think it was a matter of realizing what their true desires were, it was more like ACCEPTING what those desires were. Gives a reason for why Cecil is imprisoned in the dungeon below, in order to keep hiding from what they really want because it'll be a hard and egregious life for them if they fulfill those desires. But when they finally kill Cecil, someone who truly cared about them and wanted them to be happy, they finally break. They grieve for him, and then they start destroying the perfect image they tried so hard to keep up. I'm so sad that Cecil reappeared and then died so quickly, but WOOOOO THEY/THEM PRONOUNS FOR GIDGET!!!! I'm so happy to see them have an appearance they want, in spite of the horrible and unspeakable things they've done to Iggy. My non-binary identity and my asexuality makes these feelings conflicting 💀
I'm excited to see how the rest of the arc pans out!!! Geez, I really did write an essay, so I'll leave you with this short concluding message. I wish you luck with continuing Arc 5 🫶
OMG THIS BEAUTIFUL ESSAY 😭💕
This is like the most in-depth thing I've ever gotten GOD dhfhfh reading this was such a treat. AND I'M REALLY GLAD YOU LIKED IT??? This one was quite the doozy for me as well what with how the intensity of everything ramped up to 11 and the culmination of so many of my own feelings, too. HHHHH so I'm really happy to hear all this 🥺
Ohhhh I feel like that was a big part of what I was going for with the beginning parts. Like,,, similar but then not quite, to kind of ease into the arc (and then after that everything continuing to just get more and more different and messed up LOL). And yes, that is indeed who Iggy is holding in the title screen 🤭 I'm glad you liked the tree sequence?? It somehow felt like a good way to start bringing things back to the main story of what's even going on after the detours that were Arcs 2 through 4 HAHAHA.
Oh gosh,,, all the scenes in Genzou's apartment. Those really tore my heart apart to write (before sewing it back together hdggghf). I wanted to really emphasize just how messed up their minds and thoughts are after everything and how that would affect their interactions, so I'm glad it came across ok 💦 (I-I'm also just a sucker for hurt/comfort stuff, so that's that too LOL). My poor beans,,,
The doll,,, 💦 The doll will definitely come into play more in part 2. I just didn't have a chance to get to those parts yet dgfgh I just really hope I'm able to like bring everything together and wrap it up in a way that makes sense and is satisfying to everyone GOD. This really worries me ngl. So I'm glad to already hear some of your thoughts on it 🥺
"Which ties back to Arc 1, which primarily focuses on Iggy. He feels RESPONSIBLE for everything, and so HE has to FIX everything" --> Yeah this is such a huge part of Iggy and his story in general. His feeling of guilt and obligation because he doesn't even really quite understand friendship to begin with but does love his friends and wants to fit in and be accepted. And maybe it's something he'll never quite get over but at the very least he can learn to start feeling less guilty and learning to love and prioritize himself a bit more. I feel like that's also why I had Gidget just completely refute his apology -- because sure he needed to say it, but he's not actually the one who can "fix" anything despite how much he thinks he is, so even when he does what he feels should fix it, it blows up in his face, and in the end, Gidget accepting themself has nothing to do with him.
"it's a callback to how Genzou pointed out that Iggy tried to defeat an armored rabbit with a rake for him, which I think is really cute." --> FHDJFJFJD YES IT IS TEEHEE 💕
HHHHH your thoughts around Gidget really affecting me. That pretty much sums everything up quite well 🤣💦 A huge part of Gidget's story and growth is really based on my own thoughts and experiences and the things I've battled with and thought to myself, particularly in the wanting to be accepted and liked in the way I thought I was supposed to. Perhaps not quite to the extreme perfection angle here FJDJDJD but still something I fight with a lot even now, which is probably why it also took a lot out of me to write 💦
"I'm so sad that Cecil reappeared and then died so quickly, but WOOOOO THEY/THEM PRONOUNS FOR GIDGET!!!! " --> I AM ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY SAD BUT OVERJOYED AT BOTH OF THESE THINGS FHFHDH goddd,, I am really happy to have finally been about to bring Gidget to this point. It feels like such a momentous occasion after these past 4 arcs 🤣💦 AND NOW I CAN FINALLY LIKE DRAW ART OF THEM HOW I REALLY WANT TO DJFJDJD
"My non-binary identity and my asexuality makes these feelings conflicting " --> HAHAHAHAJA GOD THE PAIN IS REAL,I GET YOU 💦💦💦💦💦
Oh geez this whole comment just made me so happy YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA. I love reading stuff like this so much and hearing what ppl think of the chars and how they read into and interpret things. It makes my heart want to burst from joy 😭💕 So thank you so much again, not only for playing and for your lovely words but also just for your support and for loving the game and the chars. It makes me so overjoyed!!!! HHHHH MY HEART IS VERY SQUISHED 😭💕 I will keep working hard on the rest of Arc 5!! 😤
so i created an account just to comment, I am enjoying this game so much!!!
also, as a trans person, the end of arc 5 is so cathartic for me so, thanks
Oh, gosh!! Thank you so much??? I'm really happy that you're enjoying the game so much and took all the time to make the account and leave this comment! That means so much ahhhhhh 😭💕
Ahhhh,,, I am really happy about that, too 💕 A lot of Gidget's story is inspired by/based heavily on my own experiences and thoughts, so I'm glad it could also resonate with you,,, ahhhh,,, that's gonna make me cry for real,,, 🥺💕 I especially love hearing from people who can relate to or feel things from the story and chars ahhhh dlkfjadlkfja
Really thank you so much for the support and for your lovely words! What a little bright spot in my day!! 🥰